possible 66 or 67S cars, need help with identities...

[whiteSC59]

while searching for parts i found a old junkyard guy through the internet who has a cpl of old 911 cars that he'll sell. before you ask, he's not the guy out west, this is an east coast guy...anyway Im waiting for pics as i type this and both are either 66 or 67S cars I think, maybe im wrong. (one had a 5 point harness in it). one car has an engine in it thats not original to the car. he knows theyre porsches and wont give em away but maybe a deal to be had. he feels it might make 2 cars into one.
can anyone tell me anything about these cars and would it be worth buying them?
here's the numbers from the cars.
car 1). 911s 66 (on tag), body # 11830193, eng # 6292255
car 2) 911s 66 (on tag) body # 305149 eng # 909133

[ossiblue]

Not too familiar with SWB cars, but the VIN you posted for car 1 appears to be from a 68 911, not a 66--it's the 118XXXXX in the VIN. The 3 in the VIN does indicate an S model.

[Grady Clay]

Originally Posted by whiteSC59

car 1). 911s 66 (on tag), body # 11830193, eng # 6292255
car 2) 911s 66 (on tag) body # 305149 eng # 909133

11830193 is a 1968 911 USA Porsche (Reuter) coupe, 193rd car, built in 1967.
6292255 is a 1969 911E, very late production (last number is 6292270).

305149 is a 1967 911 (normal) Porsche (Reuter) coupe, the 49th car, built in 1966.
909133 is probably the original engine, 133rd built.

Best,
Grady

[911K]

He's probably getting the 66 S from the aluminum VIN plate in the trunk. Under Heizeinrichtung Typ or heater type, it says 66 S on all the early 911s, probably up to the 3.2 Carreras as well.

[whiteSC59]

thats probably right. the guy doesnt know 'bo' but can tell you any nut, bolt or washer on a mopar... what would someone offer for these cars?? im making the trip with cash on monday/ tues so wish me luck. looking for insight as what to offer?? he's not gonna sell them for cheap and told me that he's okay with keeping them till market changes. your thoughts? more pics to follow...stay tuned!

[304065]

Offer him $8500 for everything. I see a complete MFI system from a 69, if it's not rusted that has some value, and I see some deep fuchs on the 68 (car with the sugar scoops).

I also don't see any side marker reflectors on the 68, which means it's had some body work at some point in its life.

One wouldn't typically combine a 68 with another SWB-- much of the 68 is one year only stuff that should really only be combined with another 68. Front suspension and interior parts are two areas that come to mind-- if you put them on a 67 normal and went to a Porsche gathering, you'd get a lot of questions like "why did you put 68 stuff on a 67?" Not that you're necessarily setting out to win Pebble Beach, but the reason to get involved with SWB cars in the first place is originality, because the car is a time machine-- not because of the huge power and wide tires.

Those cars are rusting away faster than the market is appreciating. You hear that a lot from sellers-- thinking they have a gold mine out back. . . by the time they get around to monetizing their investment, the car is too far gone to be of interest. To restore the 67 Normal correctly, you won't have much change left from a $50,000 bill. Yes, fifty.

Good luck! This definitely qualifies as a "barn find." Once you get everything home, post up some detailed photos and we can help you identify what you've got.

[Grady Clay]

Soooo sad to see.

Left out in the weather just destroys things.
That ’69 911E engine might have been recoverable many years ago.
I’ll bet it is full of water.
No crankcase. No P&Cs. No heads. No throttle bodies.
Perhaps no crank & rods.

The ’68 coupe? Perhaps the 5˝x15 Fuchs are recoverable.

My guess is that a proper restoration (not to show condition but proper) will cost 2-3X the eventual value. – and it may not be possible with the dwindling NOS parts. (That is dwindled NOS with too little OEM and other.)

If he keeps them much longer, they will be worthless.
He should pay you and hope they drive again.
Penance for having left them outside for so long.

I hope it is not that grim in person.

Best,
Grady

[Grady Clay]

The ’69 911E engine (probably 901/09) has lots of normally
sealed places open to the outside (red arrows).
Note the ‘exposure rust’ on the air filter assembly.
Clockwise:
The distributor cap is off, water can fill the distributor and
seep into the engine.
With the plug connectors askew, are the sparkplugs out?
This is the fuel hose to the filter console and obviously
unattached. Normal procedure is to loop this back to seal
the pump inlet fitting. (Same with the other hose on the
console.)
The MFI nozzles are removed leaving the intake ports open.
The crankcase breather is open allowing water, etc. into the
bottom end.




More pictures please.

When you are there:
See if the throttles operate.
See if the pump turns.
See if the engine turns.
Unlikely but worth a try.

How has the ’67 been stored?

I’ll reserve any valuation until you see more.

I agree with John about mixing ’67 and ’68.
I think a ’67 has more inherent value than a USA ’68.

Best,
Grady

[whiteSC59]

grady, the engine is under a huge pole barn in center of the area so water is highly unlikely. ive seen crazier things happen of course but im thinking bugs are a given.

im gonna offer him something. what would be a figure i couldnt lose on??


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[Fritter]

With rust an unknown, would be hard to offer more than $5k. And that will probably be too low for the seller, so they will sit. Sad.

[304065]

Originally Posted by whiteSC59

grady, the engine is under a huge pole barn in center of the area so water is highly unlikely. ive seen crazier things happen of course but im thinking bugs are a given.

im gonna offer him something. what would be a figure i couldnt lose on??

hmm. . . what would be a number you couldn't lose on?

not to rain on the parade, but that would have to be if the seller paid YOU.

Listen, even if you get those cars for $2000 for everything, you still have transport, storage, registration and sales tax. If you decide to part them out, you still have an investment of time. It completely depends on what you want to DO with these cars, part them out, flip them, restore them to drivers, restore them to concours.

Sometimes the most expensive 911 is the one you get for free. Roll the dice!

[tomphot]

These cars have popped up again.
I've got a friend looking at them.
I see that someone on the early911S site asked questions about them in Jan '09, I also found this thread.
In the meantime, they sit and rust - so sad.

Was an offer ever made?