Hydrogen Gas on demand to air intake but where ?

[mchan]

Hi wondering if any one of the 911 owner can give me some idea where and how to connect hydrogen gas chamber hose out put to the air intake to the engine to give it a test run in replace oxygen in take mixed with fuel.
My goal is to give the 911 a hybrid system in reduce fuel and reduce co2 output.
I did used the same system into a US made Mustang but not yet install into a 911.

[Wil Ferch]

H2 gas routed to the intake?...are you insane? H2 gas is extremely explosive and has low auto-ignition properties......industrial plants that process H2 at times see static electricity light-off H2 at sharp-edge vent valves. Most H2 processing installations therefore collect all vents into a common vent stack and flare the vents.

H2 fuel cell cars are a completely different ( engineered) system.....

I hope I severely misunderstood your application !!!

[Canada Kev]

Is this what you're aiming for?? Holy, that's kinda dangerous...

[MarKoBrow]

Are you talking about some sort of hydrogen generator, The thing is that they are a waste of money. You can run a car off hydrogen but it has to be from a pressurized tank via a fuel injection system similar to the system you would use to burn LP or Compressed natural gas... The big question is why would you?

[BlueWing]

Not as dangerous as it appears up front but still a lot of caution non the less. I have built my tank grid and tested it. I am still engineering the rest of the system to install in a VW Diesel powered aluminum vehicle. I got my first demo from a one installed in a gas powered Jetta. In it's basic form it is so simple, I'm just trying to fab a smaller tank, check valve system, easy maintenance and anything I don't know yet. Still a learning curve for me.

No HHO is stored so the flaming Hindenberg (actually burning fabric) images are not going to happen. But the small amount being produced and flash back can be considerable.

If I ever get the time to refine it for the Kubvan, the 911 might be next. I'll be watching here to see if any power gains or cleaner burning is worth the application.

YouTube HHO and you will see the better refined systems and the home brew dangers.

[Wil Ferch]

I've dealt with industrial gases ( components of "Air"... oxygen / nitrogen /argon / rare gases), which ...buy the nature of the business...also puts me into contact with H2 and Helium, as well as other gases. This was my career the last 30 years of my life.

FWIW....I designed and installed the 600,000 gallon hydrogen sphere trans-fill station, that was installed in NASA's Stennis, MS testing facility. I also cooled-down and commissioned liquid hydrogen tanks of this size ( minus 423 degF)....so I may have some idea of what I'm talking about.

Yeah.....you indeed are on the steep end of the learning curve. I hope you survive. You severely underestimate the dangers.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by MarKoBrow

Are you talking about some sort of hydrogen generator, The thing is that they are a waste of money.

Yeah, I thought these things were hoaxes? A guy at work got all excited because he found some guy on the internet who supposedly had a system all figured out. He talked to me about it and I was extremely skeptical. He spent a lot of time and money and then sheepishly reported back to me that it made no measurable difference.

[HarryD]

Originally Posted by BlueWing

Not as dangerous as it appears up front but still a lot of caution non the less. I have built my tank grid and tested it. I am still engineering the rest of the system to install in a VW Diesel powered aluminum vehicle. I got my first demo from a one installed in a gas powered Jetta. In it's basic form it is so simple, I'm just trying to fab a smaller tank, check valve system, easy maintenance and anything I don't know yet. Still a learning curve for me.

No HHO is stored so the flaming Hindenberg (actually burning fabric) images are not going to happen. But the small amount being produced and flash back can be considerable.

If I ever get the time to refine it for the Kubvan, the 911 might be next. I'll be watching here to see if any power gains or cleaner burning is worth the application.

YouTube HHO and you will see the better refined systems and the home brew dangers.

Glad to hear you are avoiding the risks of using Dihydrogen Monoxide (HHO or as more commonly known DHMO).

For those readers who are unaware of this insidious hazard:

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.

Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.

Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.

DHMO is a major component of acid rain.

Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.

Contributes to soil erosion.

Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.

Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.

Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.

Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.

Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.

Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

as an industrial solvent and coolant,

in nuclear power plants,

by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,

by elite athletes to improve performance,

in the production of Styrofoam,

in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,

in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,

as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,

in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,

as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,

as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,

in cult rituals,

by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),

by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,

by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,

by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,

historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran, in World War II prison camps

in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,

during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,

by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,

in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,

in day care centers, purportedly for sanitary purposes,

by software engineers, including those producing DICOM programmer APIs and other DICOM software tools including DICOM routers,

by popular computer science professors,

by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok,

by the British Chiropractic Association and the purveyors of the bogus treatments that the BCA promotes,

by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in Ivory Coast,

in animal research laboratories, and

in pesticide production and distribution.

More good reading here:

Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

[cgarr]

Might be better off shooting in some pure oxygen?

[Wil Ferch]

Pure oxygen.....that's how early 60's muscle cars were able to quote such high "SAE-Gross" HP numbers....IIRC.....no auxiliaries attached ( fans/alternators), and shooting raw O2 down the bores...or close to such measures.

[sc_rufctr]

Chemical super charging with Nitrous Oxide gas has been around for decades but injecting a flammable gas like hydrogen into and engine sounds crazy to me.

[69911e]

I have been using hydrogen in my tires to reduce my unsprung weight. I saw a 1/2 sec reduction in lap times; I highly suggest it.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by 69911e

I have been using hydrogen in my tires to reduce my unsprung weight. I saw a 1/2 sec reduction in lap times; I highly suggest it.

Shouldn't that be in green?

[Wil Ferch]

Let's put a smiley face after a joking comment like the one above by 69911e..some people may otherwise not understand.

Sorry.... I take safety seriously....

[Mycar]

Originally Posted by 69911e

I have been using hydrogen in my tires to reduce my unsprung weight. I saw a 1/2 sec reduction in lap times; I highly suggest it.

I see hydrogen is becoming more and more popular as a tyre gas and is readily available.

If it is possible to introduce H2 to the intakes it seems logical to use the spare tyre as a resevoir.

Dunno, what do you think ?

Mike.

[Wil Ferch]

NITROGEN ( an INERT gas) .....for Tires !!!

not HYDROGEN ( a highly flammable gas that ignites if you just look at it !!!)

..... DIFFERENT ......

[Mycar]

I see your point. As you can probably tell it`s been a while since I studied physics (30 years +) but I do remember, Hydrogen is one of the lightest gasses around... if not the lightest. Has anybody considered filling their tyres with hydrogen. This would surely decrease the unsprung weight considerably. Like alloy wheels but better.

Just me thinking out loud. (on a computer)

Mike.

[cgarr]

Hydrogen is the lightest element in the Periodic Table! I thought it was our 74 track car.....

[IROC]

Originally Posted by Mycar

I see your point. As you can probably tell it`s been a while since I studied physics (30 years +) but I do remember, Hydrogen is one of the lightest gasses around... if not the lightest. Has anybody considered filling their tyres with hydrogen. This would surely decrease the unsprung weight considerably. Like alloy wheels but better.

Just me thinking out loud. (on a computer)

Mike.

Hydrogen would leak out of tires like crazy. Hydrogen molecules are very small - we're talking 2 protons and 2 electrons. The size of these molecules is so small that they leak out of almost anything. Contrast that with air (which is mostly nitrogen, after all). N2 has 14 protons and 14 neutrons. It's giant!! Throw in some O2 and other miscellaneous stuff and air is pretty easy to keep in tires. Helium isn't much better - it will leak through seals so well that it is used in leak testing - pressurize something with helium and then "sniff" for the leaks.

Not to mention the fact that putting hydrogen in tires would be a death wish. A little hydrogen leaked into the refueling floor of the reactors in Japan and you saw what happened...

[cgarr]

Thats why you really don't want to light up a big fat cigar over a charging battery!