phoenix motorsports big red adaptors, extended hubs. opinions?

[PorscheDV]

what do you guys think about this kit?

www.phoenixmotorsportsinc.com

anyone have any experience?

i would eventually like to fit these brakes, so i did some searching and found these. i have a wide body and hate how wheel spacers look behind the wheel. this kit effectively pushes out the brake to its proper position behind the wheels and at the same time allows me to run the 996 TT brakes.

however, im a bit concerned about the hub extention. how much stress does this put on the wheel bearing? im no engineer but i'd imagine its not much different from the stresses spacers put on bearings (which i hear is not good in the first place) but it also moves the bulk of the brake disc weight out further which would seem to put even more stress on wheel bearing than just normal spacer.

i'd like to get opinions and would love first hand experience with anything like these...

thanks!

[89911]

My bet is this isn't any cheaper then Big Reds. You still have to go to 17" wheels which isn't going to thrill many that still want their fuchs. I'm sure, with custom hubs, were talking $4-5K?

[PorscheDV]

these are big reds. well..kinda..the 996TT which i hear has new mounting points. this is just a kit to make it a bolt up affair. (the brakes aren't included) but the extended hubs are something i haven't seen yet in bolt up kits.

anyone?

[Bill Verburg]

Thats the only way I've seen to use the 996tt brales on an earlier car.

Seems kind of expensive to me, why not just get a a Big Red or GTP kit?

[PorscheDV]

ok..im a little confused!

did i miss the cost?! i was going to call them for prices...but is it on the site? or do you just mean, it seems like it would be expensive? i like the idea of widening the track to fit later wheels on a wide body! im not excited about using spacers.

thanks for all the replies gentllmen!

[89911]

I don't have any idea of the price but I would be interested to know. Also what offsets would you need to fit the caliper changes? Your most likely going to need a different offset wheel up front to bring the wheel back if from the extended hub or flares to fit. Too many questions. The Big Red set up doesn't require anything more then larger 17 wheels. Off the top of my head, I think they go for around $3k?

[v9ff]

Here is the response that I got from the company:

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Thanks for writing. We sell the kit you need which utilizes factory 996
Turbo Calipers and Rotors. This kit incorporates a 25mm (1 inch) offset per
side in the front, and a 50mm (2 inch) offset per side in the rear. This
kit requires a minimum wheel size of 17inch. All components necessary for a
truly "bolt-on" installation are included:

-- New Front Hubs, manufactured to exacting standards and balanced for high
speed use, 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminum
-- New Wheel Bearings, Front & Rear, Original Equipment Specifications
-- Caliper Mount Brackets, Front & Rear, 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminum
-- Emergency Brake Shoe Relocating Brackets, 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminum
-- New Rear Hubs, 4140 alloy steel, heat treated and ground to exacting
standards
-- All New Mounting Fasteners and Hardware, to insure a trouble free
installation

The price of this kit is $2,792.06 (not including Porsche calipers, rotors,
and pads). We are currently offering a 15% "racer discount" - so the price
is $2427.88. This discount is a limited time offer, and I am not sure if we
will still be offering this discount next year when you plan to purchase.

We can also sell you the factory Porsche calipers, rotors, and pads -
everything you need to complete the installation. We have one set of nearly
new "take-off" calipers and rotors that we got from a customer who upgraded
to GT3 (ceramic) brakes on his 996 Turbo. We can offer this used set of
brakes for $1800.00, but since we only have one set left, they are subject
to prior sale. We can also provide you with brand new brakes, direct from
Porsche. The current list price is approximately $3150.00, and we offer a
discount of 15%, which brings the approximate price to $2739.13. Keep in
mind, these prices for new parts are approximate, and are subject to change.

Thank you very much for you interest, and we look forward to working with
you in the future.

Best Regards,
Pat Sharp

[Eric Coffey]

Hmmm, so $2400+ just to be able to use 996TT calipers? I agree with Bill V (seems a bit much $$). I mean after all is said and done, you would be well over $6k with hub kit/calipers/rotors/pads (at their prices), and still need to buy 17" wheels. If you just went with 993 big reds, you would have plenty to put towards a set of custom offset (no spacers) 17" wheels. Plus, 993 big reds would more than adequate for a `76 911 IMO.

[89911]

Originally posted by v9ff
Here is the response that I got from the company:

=========================================


The price of this kit is $2,792.06 (not including Porsche calipers, rotors,
and pads). We are currently offering a 15% "racer discount" - so the price
is $2427.88. Best Regards,
Pat Sharp

Stop right there, That is all I need to know!

[Lukesportsman]

I just received a phone call today from the owner. He did not mention the racers disount to me He gave some good merits of his kit, but I also thought that it was a good chunk of change. Just for info. He recommends the popular Mercedes 23mm MC in this kit too. He stated that unlike many of the BBR kits, this would allow you to use OEM replacement parts making upkeep easier.

[Bill Verburg]

The RaceTechnology kit as used on my car uses all factory parts ~$3200 right here at Pelican

[PorscheDV]

wait...

almost three grand just to be able to use calipers, that arent provided!? never mind...

but thanks anyway for the help guys!

[empire0007]

Mike wrote:
Wanted to know if these guys are still around. Just picked up a 996 turbo brakes and wanted the adapters

Originally Posted by PorscheDV

what do you guys think about this kit?

www.phoenixmotorsportsinc.com

anyone have any experience?

i would eventually like to fit these brakes, so i did some searching and found these. i have a wide body and hate how wheel spacers look behind the wheel. this kit effectively pushes out the brake to its proper position behind the wheels and at the same time allows me to run the 996 TT brakes.

however, im a bit concerned about the hub extention. how much stress does this put on the wheel bearing? im no engineer but i'd imagine its not much different from the stresses spacers put on bearings (which i hear is not good in the first place) but it also moves the bulk of the brake disc weight out further which would seem to put even more stress on wheel bearing than just normal spacer.

i'd like to get opinions and would love first hand experience with anything like these...

thanks!

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by empire0007

Mike wrote:
Wanted to know if these guys are still around. Just picked up a 996 turbo brakes and wanted the adapters

Contact Steve Timmins at Instant-G to fit 996 or 996t brakes to a 911

[empire0007]

Mike wrote:
Thanks. I left him a message, waiting for a response

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

Contact Steve Timmins at Instant-G to fit 996 or 996t brakes to a 911

[empire0007]

Bump

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by empire0007

Mike wrote:
Thanks. I left him a message, waiting for a response

His website says he prefers email.

I found him responsive and helpful, but other than "when will it ship", most of the information you need regarding his kits is covered on his website and 3-4 different and quite detailed threads on this board.

[empire0007]

Mike wrote:
I got a hold of stevens and he was on his way to Vegas. He has the parts and seems, it will work out fine, with no offests. That was my only concern, the offsets, as i had already placed an order for the wheels.

He will be back end of next week, i will keep the thread posted.

Just this weekend, i was at AAA California Speed Way, as all the Porsches were racing. Came across 996 GT2 yellow brakes that one someone i know had for sale. Does the 996tt and 996 GT2 have the same measurment from outside for the brackets?

Another words, do they have the same fitting specs like the 996tt?, if so maybe i can go with that setup and using Stevens 996tt brake adapters??

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by empire0007

Another words, do they have the same fitting specs like the 996tt?, if so maybe i can go with that setup and using Stevens 996tt brake adapters??

Ask Dr. Timmins. I know the 996TT front adapters work with GT3 calipers/rotors as well (and the rear adapters are the same for 993/993TT/996/996TT). He will almost certainly know about GT2 (which may even be the same, for all I know).

You may need to consider the spoke design of your wheels - my 996 N/A calipers sit a good 2 1/2" off the rotor and barely clear the back edge of the spoke on Ruf Classics. I never measured the GT calipers I briefly owned, so don't know if they're wider in that dimension. (Taking the rotors out of the box was enough to convince me I just didn't need them...)

You may want to research the front bias of the bigger 996-derived setups unless you're going for a full track configuration with dual master cylinders.

[empire0007]

Dr. Stevens was great. Extremely nice person and very helpful. Highly recommend him