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Originally Posted by RatBox (Post 6024699)

Sorry , But show me something that shows the red bolt on standard lid tail.....

Base part no. : 911.512.043.00 (m473 option)
Rubber Lip part no. : 911.512.091.00 (m473 option)

.... was introduced prior to 1984 MY and i'll believe. Otherwise I've never seen one from the factory on any car prior. And it's not in the pre-1984 MY parts books.

No jabs to anyone , just saying.

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From what I can discern (and the parts books correlate). The all-Poly tail was the optional M473 tail until 1980 MY . If some countries importers (or dealers) chose to use the 'tea-tray' (3.3 930) instead ... that was their call.

Starting at 1981 MY - on , the factory (again parts books) states the optional (M473) is the tea-tray/3.3 930 unit.

I have a suspicion that on GERMAN Market cars (and I do not know if any other Euro markets) . That the early fiberglass Carrera whaletail was used until 1980 instead of either of the others. I'm not certain....unfortunately there do not seem to be enough DE enthusiests on this forum to get the skinny. But for one...you ever seen a German-market 911SC with an all-Poly tail ? I would ask which was used on a DE forum but I am not brave enough to start translating the German.

M473 is just the generic f/r spoiler option, there were several different versions of the spoilers used

the 930 tea tray was an M473 option that was offered from '78

the all p/u spoiler was 911.512.019.02 and was also offered as an M473 option through '80.

the Weissach tail was another M473 option

There were far more spoiler-ed cars in Europe than in the US
'tea tray'
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305547885.jpg

late Carrera
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305547848.jpg

oem P/U spoiler 20#
83 930 tail 23#

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305550464.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305550492.jpg

another earlier use of the later Carrera tail was on the '83 SC/RS

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305551084.jpg

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 6024889)

That's referring to the Weissach edition cars. They were built in 1980 and they used the same tail that was fitted to the 1975 Carreras.

JR

Thank you. I should have been able to back into that answer myself.

Thx for the photos Bill V.,

As i've stated elsewhere. I'm only interested in getting correct info. Not who's right or wrong. A forum to ME is just interaction to find / flesh out / flush out information.

The white 911SC that is tagged "1982 911sc U.K. Sport" is very interesting. If that is the case there should be more...I will check it out. Since it is not a period , or factory photo. It is suspect until verified. 911sc's were not rolling around the US in 1982 & 83 , with that tail. The tail is not listed in the 1978 - 83 911 parts PET. As refered to below. I will dig up a post 1982 produced Porsche parts microfiche and check.

Regarding 911SCRS's , even though they are named 'SC'RS . And they are 3.0. They were a 1984 MY car.

Note , the VIN's are WPOZZZ91ZES11001 - 20. In a 17 digit VIN , the 1Oth digit is the MY.

Here's the Chart / Table for 17 digit VIN MY codes .

10th Character - Year of Manufacture :

B = 1981 C = 1982 D = 1983 *E = 1984 F = 1985 G = 1986 H = 1987

J = 1988 K = 1989 L = 1990 M = 1991 N = 1992 P = 1993 R = 1994

S = 1995 T = 1996 V = 1997 W = 1998 X = 1999 Y = 2000 1 = 2001

2 = 2002 3 = 2003 4 = 2004 5 = 2005 6 = 2006 7 = 2007 8 = 2008

9 = 2009 A = 2010

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Regarding what was designated as THE m473 option from 1978 - 1980 MY . I was only going from the PET (ALL market versions ...I have looked at them all).

1978 - 83 911 PET , lists the all-poly tail in the associated notes for that part / "- 1980 , M473"

The same PET then lists the Tea-Tray as / "1981 - , M473"

So i'm only going off what that states. I will dig up an 80's produced Porsche microfiche , and check. Again , as i stated before. Whatever the parts books say (which would be what the factory intended). Various country importers (like AFN for the UK) , could have decided to use whichever they wanted to for a country specific model like a "UK Sport".

In countries , that did not take such a large hand in making up country specific model (like the US) . It would be the individual Dealer (I believe) . Or even if VW/Porsche NA made the call. They could choose which 'they' wanted to use as the "M473"

That is why DE market cars interest me the most (DE specific ..not other ROW). Because if you can find a 1976 - 77 Carrera , or 911SC that was a german market delivered car (on an order which the factory had NO info. of it intending to be going anywhere else). And it was originally optioned from the factory with M473 (and not replaced). You will see what the factory's call was as to M473 per application.

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Originally Posted by RatBox (Post 6025086)

Thx for the photos Bill V.,

As i've stated elsewhere. I'm only interested in getting correct info. Not who's right or wrong. A forum to ME is just interaction to find / flesh out / flush out information.

The white 911SC that is tagged "1982 911sc U.K. Sport" is very interesting. If that is the case there should be more...I will check it out. 911sc's were not rolling around the US in 1982 & 83 , with that tail.

Regarding 911SCRS's , even though they are named 'SC'RS . And they are 3.0. They were a 1984 MY car.

Note , the VIN's are WPOZZZ91ZES11001 - 20. In a 17 digit VIN , the 1Oth digit is the MY.

Here's the Chart / Table for 17 digit VIN MY codes .

10th Character - Year of Manufacture :

B = 1981 C = 1982 D = 1983 *E = 1984 F = 1985 G = 1986 H = 1987

J = 1988 K = 1989 L = 1990 M = 1991 N = 1992 P = 1993 R = 1994

S = 1995 T = 1996 V = 1997 W = 1998 X = 1999 Y = 2000 1 = 2001

2 = 2002 3 = 2003 4 = 2004 5 = 2005 6 = 2006 7 = 2007 8 = 2008

9 = 2009 A = 2010

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Regarding what was designated as THE m473 option from 1978 - 1980 MY . I was only going from the PET (ALL market versions ...I have looked at them all).

1978 - 83 911 PET , lists the all-poly tail in the associated notes for that part / "- 1980 , M473"

The same PET then lists the Tea-Tray as / "1981 - , M473"

So i'm only going off what that states. I will dig up an 80's produced Porsche microfiche , and check. Again , as i stated before. Whatever they parts books say. Various country importers (like AFN for the UK) , could have decided to use whichever they wanted to for a country specific model like a "UK Sport".

In countries , that did not take such a large hand in making up country specific model (like the US) . It would be the individual Dealer (I believe) . Or even if VW/Porsche NA made the call. They could choose which 'they' wanted to use as the "M473"

That is why DE market cars interest me the most (DE specific ..not other ROW). Because if you can find a 1976 - 77 Carrera , or 911SC that was a german market delivered car (on an order which the factory had NO info. of it intending to be going anywhere else). And it was originally optioned from the factory with M473 (and not replaced). You will see what the factory's call was as to M473 per application.

As parts were developed for subsequent models they often trickled down to the production line for limited use. yes, different importers specified different parts and yes US cars were generally far less apt to have the latest parts on them due to the importer and US DoT restrictions

the development of the SC/RS was started in mid '81, production was approved on July 1 1983, per Ludvigson the SC/RS was an '83-84 model. They were all built by Dec '83 and homologation was completed by Jan. 7 1984.

here are the 20 homologation models pictured in Dec '83

I agree that the chasis and engine #s were '84 model year

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305557547.jpg

I've found that PET doesn't always have all the parts that were used on a particular car 100% correctly identified the famous examples are the crankcase update and the switch from mg. back to al. for the transmission case. Change happened as it became available and it wasn't always officially documented until much later.

If you look carefully at PET you will see that there are 3 rear spoilers listed in the '78 - 83 period and yes, the Carrera tail officially entered the parts lists for MY84 3.2 Carrera.
1) the tea tray
2) the all p/u
3) the original whale aka 'Weissach' tail in 2 versions one w/ second slot and one w/o

all are option M473 or included on a special model

What's interesting about that photo of the "20" SCRS cars shown above is that, if you look carefully, you can see that not all of them are built to the SCRS specification. Since they were nearly halfway through the '84 model production year when they built the SCRS cars, it makes sense that they would have used the current production spoiler. I have often wondered why they didn't use the earlier Carrera/Weissach tail, as I would think it would be lighter than the Carrera 3.2 version.

JR