Flying Lizards-Le Mans

[wjfk32]

I would of liked to see a podium finish....but... ;(

Freakin pi$$es me off, when it happens time and time again.


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16h19m The #81 leading entry in GTE Am runs wide and Seth Neiman((Prin. Owner-Can't Drive) takes a trip through the gravel.


16h20m Neiman is able to rejoin in the Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche, but there is definitely some fluid leaking from the rear of the car.

BLAH--BLAH--BLAH-- GAME OVER.

[HFR_Racer]

It's truly a crime.. I even wore my Lizard shirt to promote the team.

[Boricua21]

Gone forever are the days Porsche would just show up with the latest model...and blow everyone away...

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by wjfk32

I would of liked to see a podium finish....but... ;(

Freakin pi$$es me off, when it happens time and time again.


AUTOSPORT.COM

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16h19m The #81 leading entry in GTE Am runs wide and Seth Neiman((Prin. Owner-Can't Drive) takes a trip through the gravel.


16h20m Neiman is able to rejoin in the Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche, but there is definitely some fluid leaking from the rear of the car.

BLAH--BLAH--BLAH-- GAME OVER.

So if you had the money to run a top level GT team you wouldn't drive? That is the whole purpose of the GT-Amateur division. They had another car with all pros in it, in case you did not notice. The Am class is for gentlemen drivers to have fun, provided they are safe in their driving- with the prototypes lapping them. Seth is a great guy and has been driving for years in the ALMS and LeMans. If I had the money, I would be doing something similar to him, and I am not sure I would be any better. Seth did a great job- it was a lot of hours and just one little mistake.

[NOLAsc]

Originally Posted by Flieger

So if you had the money to run a top level GT team you wouldn't drive. That is the whole purpose of the GT-Amateur division. They had another car with all pros in it, in case you did not notice. The Am class is for gentlemen drivers to have fun, provided they are safe in their driving- with the prototypes lapping them. Seth is a great guy and has been driving for years in the ALMS and LeMans. If I had the money, I would be doing something similar to him, and I am not sure I would be any better. Seth did a great job- it was a lot of hours and just one little mistake.

+1.

Even Corvette's Jan Magnussen makes mistakes.

YouTube - ‪2011 Le Mans 24 Hours Race Jan Magnussen Horst Felbermayr Big Crash‬‏

YouTube - ‪Jan Magnussen And Al Faizal Big Crash 24 Hours du Le Mans 2011 HD‬‏

(I like the German version better because I can't tell if they were trying to blame the Porsche driver for Jan running into him as the English commentators seem to be in the short clip.)

Plenty of more dangerous errors in this race.

I wish the #80 would have gotten a podium.

[Flieger]

The #44 car is for Seth, the #45 car is for the pros to give Porsche the best finish possible. If there was no 45 car and Porsche was relying on Seth for results, I would be more concerned, but it doesn't matter so much if Seth goes off since the fast guys are in their own car and are already in front of the #44.

[wjfk32]

Hey- I am a great guy!

YES- I Would drive also, if I owned the team. $$$$$$$$$$ CAN DO WONDERS. I AM A GREAT GUY!

HISTORY SHOWS- He has lost alot of races from the beginning of FLYING LIZARDS and present. Just stating the facts. Yes they have THE A TEAM. (LONG-BERG)

Did you see the speed reporter interview Seth- regarding unskilled drivers out there-regarding the Audi incident..etc..etc...(cough--cough) and then stating locking the brakes-(not saying driver error)-in the straigthaway--no one there...Blah--blah...

I support FLYING LIZARDS 100% and wear their colors. Win or loose.

Porsche gotta step up their game and go to the next level..
Look at Audi's R-10 TO R-18 - from a v-12 down to V6cyl. 3.7 litre turbo and winning. No joke.

[wjfk32]

Originally Posted by NOLAsc

+1.

Even Corvette's Jan Magnussen makes mistakes.

YouTube - ‪2011 Le Mans 24 Hours Race Jan Magnussen Horst Felbermayr Big Crash‬‏

YouTube - ‪Jan Magnussen And Al Faizal Big Crash 24 Hours du Le Mans 2011 HD‬‏

(I like the German version better because I can't tell if they were trying to blame the Porsche driver for Jan running into him as the English commentators seem to be in the short clip.)

Plenty of more dangerous errors in this race.

I wish the #80 would have gotten a podium.

The driver before Jan-stated(speed interview) the Corvette was loose in the rear and not stable.(gotta be careful)..After the interview- I think Jan was going thru the Porsche curves and lost it. He hit the Porche-RSR. (Porsche was on the outside.) Corvette around the curve to fast. The back of the car was moving like fish's tail out of the water(replay)..

[911jettat]

Originally Posted by NOLAsc

...(I like the German version better because I can't tell if they were trying to blame the Porsche driver for Jan running into him as the English commentators seem to be in the short clip.)....

...they said: "no doubt a driving mistake...he was coming up to the turn at speed and thought he could make the pass, dived to the inside hoping to hold the line, then the rear end broke out....he lost control. It's very evident that it was a driving mistake by the Corvette."

I could go into detail, but that's 95% of what he said starting at 2:00.

[NOLAsc]

Thanks. I missed that part of the race.

But for the many hours I watched it, I was amazed at how well the Chevrolet PR machine was working among the English-speaking commentators.

[Zuluracerx]

I love the Lizards and was really pulling for the ENTIRE team. Those RSR's are so freaking awesome!!!

[FinallyGotOne]

I love watching the lizards too, but hate seeing them off the podium. Damn Corvette think that the track is theirs and they get way too aggressive out there bullying the other cars around. They seem to have this superiority complex and I am getting turned off to their racing.

Like Audi diving into that corner and hitting the Ferrari! Glad mcNish was OK after that unbelievable crash, but he had no business putting his car in that spot!

[dhagood]

Originally Posted by FinallyGotOne

Like Audi diving into that corner and hitting the Ferrari! Glad mcNish was OK after that unbelievable crash, but he had no business putting his car in that spot!

mcnish had an interview on autosport i think where he stated that what he saw made him think he had the corner and that he was absolutely shocked there was a collision. in general, it's kind of arrogant to second-guess someone's decision, made in a fraction of a second, after the fact and at much greater length.

that being said, looked to me like mcnish misjudged the corner...

[Plavan]

I could not stand Scott Pruitt commentating.......What a flipping ego, I hit mute.

Also, did you notice the Corvette commercials? Saying they had to detune their street car to race with Porsche, BMW, Ferrari..... what a freaking crock of $&^%. Porsche should run a commercial saying that our cars are not tube frame one off's, they are built along side our street cars, utilizing the same base tub......

[BURN-BROS]

Originally Posted by Plavan

Also, did you notice the Corvette commercials? Saying they had to detune their street car to race with Porsche, BMW, Ferrari..... what a freaking crock of $&^%. Porsche should run a commercial saying that our cars are not tube frame one off's, they are built along side our street cars, utilizing the same base tub......

That may have been true for the C5Rs but apparently the C6Rs are based of the current ZR1 platform, retaining the Aluminum hydroformed chassis.

I did see that commercial and rolled my eyes..... I would be actually impressed if the engine was 4 liters.

[Plavan]

Originally Posted by BURN-BROS

That may have been true for the C5Rs but apparently the C6Rs are based of the current ZR1 platform, retaining the Aluminum hydroformed chassis.

I did see that commercial and rolled my eyes..... I would be actually impressed if the engine was 4 liters.

I did not know that. Still they are Corvettes, and the drivers...... Gold chains..lol

[sc]

Just to clarify,
Not really a Pruitt fan but, Pruitt=ego=great driver none the less. His record stands on his results.

The Corvette commercial is actually advertising trick. The small block Vette 6.2 liter is only rated at 430hp NA and 638 Supercharged. The supercharged 6.2 is not ALMS legal and the 430 hp 6.2 is nowhere the 500+ hp ALMS motor. Same body but different engines. Porsche could do the same body comparison with the GT2!

All ALMS chassis's must be built to stock tub rails. The Vette, F430, F458 and M3's all incorporate oem frame rails. Some manufacturers/builders really design some elaborate chassis strengthening enhancements.

Originally Posted by Plavan

I could not stand Scott Pruitt commentating.......What a flipping ego, I hit mute.

Also, did you notice the Corvette commercials? Saying they had to detune their street car to race with Porsche, BMW, Ferrari..... what a freaking crock of $&^%. Porsche should run a commercial saying that our cars are not tube frame one off's, they are built along side our street cars, utilizing the same base tub......

[sc]

This years ALMS equivalency formula has not favored the RSR, but I’m sure Porsche will pull some muscle to get this rectified. The Vettes, Ferreri's and BMW's have more power with their V8's this year, the and even though the weight reduction has helped the 4.0, itwas not given larger air restrictors. So lighter weight this year, but no increase in HP.
Recently Endurance racing is more about luck. These long races are now won by minutes. The 4th place RSR only lost 2 laps in 24 hours and finished 1 lap out of 3rd. Lost time for a red light on the exit of the pitlane, then due to tire damage which also required repairs to the car body. Other than that, the it only came into the pits for tires and refuelling.
4 GTE RSR's finished in the top 8.
The GT3AM RSR only lost by 1 lap.

Take a look at this years Lemans GT results:
GTE Pro class
1. Garcia/Milner/Beretta (E/USA/MC), Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1, 314 laps
2. Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander (I/I/FIN), Ferrari 458 Italia, 314
3. Priaulx/Müller/Hand (GB/D/USA), BMW M3 GT, 313
4. Lieb/Lietz/Henzler (D/A/D), Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 312
5. Pilet/Narac/Armindo (F/F/F), Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 311
6. Bergmeister/Long/Luhr (D/USA/D), Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 310
8. Holzer/Goossens/van Lagen (D/B/NL), Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 293

GTE Am class
1. Gardel/Canal/Bornhauser (CH/F/F), Chevrolet Corvette C6-ZR1, 302 laps
2. Bourret/Gibon/Belloc (F/F/F), Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 301

[wjfk32]

I had an.opportunity to speak with Bergmeister last year at limerock regarding hp and the competition. I can tell you, that he hates the freakin restrictors. The rules suck and hold them back. Bergmeister is hardcore as they come.

[sc]

All ALMS GT engines are restricted.
That's how they get all the different engines on a somewhat even performance baseline.
It also allows that ALMS rules makers an easy way to adjust performance baselines during the season if one manufactures develops an overwhelming advantage.
All the different V8's in ALMS GT could probably develop over 650hp unrestricted, way more that a 4.0 flat six unrestricted.
The American ALMS series is in real trouble. With the prototype ranks dwindling and major manufacturers absent, the GT ranks although popular do not offer enough draw to support the series as a stand alone product. The 2 factory Vette's and 2 factory BMW's are not enough. The lone factory RSR (Bergmeister/ Long Lizard RSR)is out numbered and Porsche will not support a series that will not adjust the rules to allow for competitive racing. Porsche has spent a ton of money supporting this series over the years in prototype and GT. Their exit on a factory leval would lead to the demise of the series. In that case, any GT factory pulling out would negatively impact the viability of the series.
I hope everyone understands that Porsche can't sell many cars finishing 4th or 5th at ALMS races.

Originally Posted by wjfk32

I had an.opportunity to speak with Bergmeister last year at limerock regarding hp and the competition. I can tell you, that he hates the freakin restrictors. The rules suck and hold them back. Bergmeister is hardcore as they come.