My SC is faster than my 993...HP is BS

[DaveHak]

I have an 83 SC Targa, that is bone stock except for a K&N filter and I just bought a 95 995 also bone stock. Now the 993 has almost 100 more HP than the SC, However the SC feels quicker, much lighter, and more nimble. The 3.0's throttle response in unbelievable, It hits redline in literally a snap of a finger, but the 993 doesn't have that characteristic. Maybe its because of the extra power-steering belt..I don't know.
Both are fantastic cars...with different characteristics, It's hard to say which one I like better.

[sc_rufctr]

The SC is lighter so yes it will feel more alive...
But to truly tests SPEED... You need timing equipment and a drag strip.

As far as fun goes? I had a 1990 C2 before my 1978 SC and I don't miss the C2

[DaveHak]

How about the throttle response?

[sc_rufctr]

Many people over the years have complained that the SC with its CIS fuel injection has poor throttle response. Especially when compared to carbs or after market EFI.

Surely a 993 would be better the an SC. Maybe there's something wrong with your 993?

[DaveHak]

I dont think so..It runs strong. But then again, you make a good point. I need to have it checked out.

[GrantG]

Don't neglect the importance of gearing. It's hard to make a fair comparison when the ratios are so different.

[DaveHak]

Porsche really took a leap with the 993...
And the 996?...I like to call it commercialization.

[rnln]

1- you are talking about feeling, not real speed right? Older car feel like it's going fast.
2- your 993 is not doing it right. First "mechanic advise" is a tune up

[kiwiokie]

The '96 993 cab I drove was substantially quicker than my lightened '83 SC. I would have the 993 checked out.

[mnewport]

Interesting thread. I don't have a 993 and I've never driven one (the only version of the 911 I've never driven). I do have an Audi S8 though, which is a pretty darn fast car. My SC feels like it gets up and moves with about the same speed and pick up as the S8. I realize weight comes into play here since the SC weighs so much less than the S8. But I've also driven several other SC's and none of them seem to pull as hard as mine. Subjective, yes, but worth noting nonetheless.

[mnewport]

Also I've tried to do a dyno test on my SC using an iPhone dyno program. It never gives me anything remotely useable...on one test it said I had 337hp, and the next one showed 50...

[DaveHak]

Well, the title says 3,175 lbs for the 993...almost 500 lbs heavier than the SC..That's a huge difference! Wish they made an all aluminum 993.

[Gunter]

I have a 993 and an SC with a SS 3.2 motor and like them both.
The 993 has definitally more pull that the SC which is very noticeable when going uphill in third gear. We do lots of tours with a mix of different Porsches in the group and SC's, or even 3.2 Carreras, cannot keep up going uphill.
Some of the reasons: The 993's have a higher red-line plus 2 enrichments are kicking in during the rev cycle.
The enrichments feel like an afterburner.

Some 3.2 Carrera owners may huff and puff but......................a lot depends on driving-style. Some 993 drivers allow the earlier 911's to keep up so they have fun as well and enjoy the day.

I'm doing tours for fun and not for an obsessive, compulsive need to slug it out with other 911's.

[flskala]

This is the 993 that recently sold in Brooklyn with the bad oil leak, possible top end rebuild in the very near future & slipping clutch, right??? Bring your SC to the track vs. a 993.... see what happens. No disrespect sir, if your SC is indeed faster your 993 has major troubles.

[DaveE]

Well, don't forget though. Your SC doesn't ride like a Lexus.

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by rnln

1- you are talking about feeling, not real speed right? Older car feel like it's going fast.
2- your 993 is not doing it right. First "mechanic advise" is a tune up

+993. My '89 felt faster than my '96. But it wasn't.

[island911]

as fuel delivery systems become newer, the emissions demands increase. (read; throttle response plays second fiddle to the smog Nazis, as any quick fuel infusions might be too rich for the greeners.)

So Dave is spot on in his observation. ...of course the 993 will likely pull much harder, once going, but the initial surge is less dramatic.

[hesaputz]

A 993 always womps an SC - feels faster, is faster. Something's wrong here.

[dw1]

Based on objective measurements, the 993 is a LOT faster 0-60 & 1/4 mile than an SC, but 911's have never been about drag strip (or stoplight) performance.

The lighter, more "tossable" nature of the earlier cars, along with the far more direct "feel" and more involving driving experience makes the cars more enjoyable and feel faster to many.

I've driven a wide variety of sports cars, and among the ones that felt fastest were a Fiat 850 spyder, a TR3A and a TR6! None of these were fast in muscle car terms, but all were relatively light and fun cars (and a bit nerve-wracking when being driven fast, which adds to the enjoyment, I think).

Personally, in addition to immediate steering and throttle response, and a general lack of sound insulation, I think it has to do with how close you are to the limits for that particular car. The limits for many newer cars (incl. the 993) are so high that the driver may not feel as involved, and it doesn't help that the sound insulation and creature comforts are significantly increased in the newer cars.

As much as I like my '87, I wish it had more of the "tossable" feel of the earlier cars. I've gotten some of that "feel" by taking the car down to Euro ride height, installing the bump steer kit, and installing the SW chip, but it could still have more old-school "sports car" kind of feel for my tastes.

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Maybe there's something wrong with your 993?

Exactly. Perhaps it's an SC with a body kit...heck it was only $14k.