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[56 nomad]

sorry for the long post

well was getting around to working on my 71t project and discovered that last winter when it was out in the rain uncovered one of the cylinders got water in it. i don't know how it happened....looks like through the rain shields etc....motor is now seized. it will rotate 180 and stop.

i pulled the webers off and looks like one of the cylinders did get a lot of water in it and caused the freeze-up. lots of calcium deposits in there etc.

i checked the oil by removing the drain plug and luckily it appears no water got into the crankcase as none drained out.

my question is can i do the 1 or 2 cylinders and heads or did i win the lottery and will have to tear the whole motor apart?

if the pistons are still within spec after cleanup can i put a new cylinder and head on the 2.2 or can i replace the piston with out cracking the (case wrist pin)?

what type of cylinder and head should i look for? anyone have a couple?

i would like to know what my options are.

any help/thoughts are greatly appreciated thanks , Ben

still too many projects, plus 1

[Flat6pac]

You want to match the cylinder head to the letter, four numbers and another letter that is cast in the facing cylinder side.
Bruce

[56 nomad]

Originally Posted by Flat6pac

You want to match the cylinder head to the letter, four numbers and another letter that is cast in the facing cylinder side.
Bruce

Bruce ,
do i understand you correctly that not any t 2.2.cylinder and head will work even with the same compression ratio etc. what might the differences be?
do i have to buy all 6 at one time?
thanks Ben

[LakeCleElum]

Did you spin it with the starter until it came up on the Hydro lock? If you did, you may have bent a rod.....If you didn't spin with the starter and it still turns over, you may have did little or no damage?

With Hydro Lock, your engine cannot turn over due to water in the cylinder. Water will not compress. The first step it to remove spark plugs and see if engine turns over by a wrench on the pulley. After a few revolutions, you would be safe to spin with starter to get the water out.

If mine and it spun after the water was out, I'd change oil and try to start it. Once warm, I'd check compression and go from there?

This happens on motorcycles that sometime have a petcock and then a carb float valve fail to let fuel into the engine via gravity. You can buy certain models very cheap due to having a bent rod. G'luck.

[ant7]

hi,
sorry to hear this, water must have gotten in through an open inlet valve via the carbs, anyway, may i suggest that you remove all spark plugs and then try turning the motor over on the starter, this should remove all liquid from the cylinders in question, and also this will safe guard against lock up and prevent bent conrods etc.
hope this helps.
Anthony.

[DaveE]

I'd turn it one revolution by hand before using the starter.

[ant7]

Originally Posted by DaveE

I'd turn it one revolution by hand before using the starter.

hi,
I agree with Dave, for the first few turns, however, once it has been established that there is no lock affect, then turning it over on a fast starter with plugs out will spit the water out more effectively.
Anthony.

[Targalid]

Turn it by hand. You may have a stuck valve. All pistons must have been moving until you hit something, perhaps a valve stuck wide open. In this case the motor is not actually seized with a piston in the bore, rather an obstruction which may be a quick fix.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by DaveE

I'd turn it one revolution by hand before using the starter.

By hand after removing the spark plugs. If it does feel good and you are comfortable with it, squirt some light oil in the cylinders and rotate it some more, then let it sit for a while.

This is ONLY if you did not use the starter in the first place. That would usually result in a bent rod...

I do have some extra 2.2/2.4 heads if you need one or two...

Joe A

[56 nomad]

thanks for the comments ,
the water had dried out of the cylinder already and i did not try to start with starter and i did pull the plugs before trying to rotae along with a little oil in the cylinders .
it was put in gear and i tried rocking it back and fourth and it moved a little. i got it to rotate 180 degrees with more force...as i mentioned in the first there was a lot of calcium deposit in the cylinder when i looked into the intake port etc.
i am know a bit concerned about bent rods...since no starter or hydro lock do you think i caused any damage by the pushing and pulling to get the rotation i mentioned?
i have put a light oil in all of the cylinders until i can drop the motor to check more into it. any other thoughts?
thanks again , Ben

[ant7]

hi Ben,
i think you did the best you could as far as rocking the car in gear slightly rather than plonking the starter!
Just leave the oil soak a bit and as others have said, try rotating it again by hand to make sure there arent any valves stuck etc, then if you dont fancy trying to fire it up, you can remove and strip it in your own time, at least you will have the peace of mind that it is no longer siezed!
Good luck with it.
Anthony.

[LakeCleElum]

Originally Posted by 56 nomad

thanks for the comments ,
i am know a bit concerned about bent rods...since no starter or hydro lock do you think i caused any damage by the pushing and pulling to get the rotation i mentioned?

Highly unlikely to have bent a rod unless you used the starter....G'luck

[techweenie]

I've recovered a completely seized engine with Marvel Mystery Oil down the spark plug holes and rocking with moderate pressure against the resistance point(s). However, in my instance, the 'recovered' engine still needed pistons and cylinders within a few thousand miles of driving due to corrosion in the cylinders and on the rings.

Because your car has sat for less than a year, it could be okay. And I think you have little to lose by trying to bring it back to life as described...

[56 nomad]

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I do have some extra 2.2/2.4 heads if you need one or two...

Joe A[/QUOTE]

joe check your mail, ben