Project 993.....Well sort of.....
 

Hi everyone!, I’ve been using this forum for a while but have never posted anything until now, so I thought it might be nice to share a build with you all!
Ok so the project begins with a 1975 911s and a 95 993 the object is to use the 993 as a parts car and take as much as possible across to the 75 (the 993 can’t be registered in Australia)

The main objective is to end up with a very street drivable car that has some potential on the track as well, and also to achieve the look of the 993 (because I have a soft spot for the 993 shape)

I will be doing a fair bit of customizing along the way so feel free to chime in with questions and/or advice.

Thanks for reading and I hope you all enjoy the ride!

Adam.
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And the work begins!!
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"Swap" the suspension as well. That is the best part of 993.

Would be nice! but there is far too much difference between the 2 cars, so I've oppted for the rebel racing solution!
Should have the first lot of parts before Christmas.

Yeah... Its not a bolt on swap :) Rebel parts are great too. Good luck with the project.

Have you worked out the registration / engineering of the car once the swap is done?

All sorted have a fantastic engineer down here in Canberra so that part was easy! The 3.2 had already been done by the previous owner, and I was smart enough to get the car registered first so as not to have too many problems later!
Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly, my only real concern with the mods is doing the 993 floor/tunnel swap, I know it's been done before but it still makes me a bit nervous!

Ok, so the strip out of the car is going well so far but I have to say it's not my favourite part of the build! I'm sure just as many of you have been through this process before it can become a bit disheartening as you find all the previous half assed "repairs" (term used loosely!)
In fairness this didn't come as much of a surprise as the car is a 1975 and it did spend a fair bit of life on the coast!
So I guess the positive is that this was always going to be a full build and with that said I am very much looking forward to taking to both cars with the plasma cutter!
More photos on the way shortly!

Ok, so as promissed her are a few more pics of the progress, unfortunatly I was a bit late ordering my parts so I'm still waiting on stuff to turn up.
As you can see there is still a lot to do, but I think I'm making progress.
Hope you all had a fantastic christmas!!
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Hi,

That is just epic!

I'm curious, why have you cut the front apron? The panels seem to fit ok on your trial fit.

Also your donor car is LHD so I guess you will have to deal with that as well. How far are you planning to go? Are you planning to reuse all the electrics from the 993?

Hi Jim, I took the front apron because although the trial fit looks good from the outside the mounting from a secure and water tight fit are less then optimal so I was hoping to get a bit better fit, should be interesting to do though..... I'll keep you posted!

As for the LHD..... well it hasn't caused too many problems so far but it will make it a bit of a pain to work out the electrics if I do need to use any of the harness.....
Not sure if I will use it yet the electrical side of things is more of a friends specialty.

Hi Adam,

Yes please, I will be very keen to see the pictures. I have done some work adapting 964 bits onto my 911sc. Mainly to deal with crimes against good engineering committed by the previous owner. Your project is in a different league. The 993 is one step even more removed from the 911.

The detail of this build will be quite interesting.

Good luck!

Hi all, firstly I'm glad I'm keeping you all interested! It's been a fun project so far.
Here are a few more pics from today......
Not too much to report as I just spent a bit of time prepping the rear quarters and the floor section, on another note I'm posting a pic of a 3 piece Simmons wheel I was thinking of using on the car, I know I'm a while away from wheels being a concern but I know the wait time is about 8 weeks for this wheel.... Any thoughts/suggestions on alternate wheels would be appreciated!
Thanks.
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If you want the 993 rear suspension also, I've seen it done.
Take the entire inner structure from the tunnel back out of the 993- go completely up the sides from the door jambs and quarter windows- and you have all the suspension points for an easy boltup and you also get the correct length for the 993 quarters and lid.

I think those look great! Keep in mind everyone has a different opinion on what looks good, so if you like them, go for it.
Found a pic posted in another thread for you:
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I think it would've been easier to just cut the VIN's out of the 911 and install said VIN's in the perfectly good 993.

Sounds interesting, I'll look in to that, with this car I've already got rear parts in transit from Clint @ rebel but I think I'll hang on to a few more of the 993 bits with that in mind!
Thanks!

Lol, So not legal! And far less fun! Yes it would have been easier, but at the point in time you have an accident or need to sell the car you have a problem,point taken but i'd prefer to keep it above board, plus It would make for a boring build! :)

So true! I think they look hot but I'm open to options.
Thanks for the pic!

This is why PP never gets boring. Awesome project!!!

Thanks Rodsrsr! I'll try and keep it interesting!

Hi people,
well had a bit more success today!, managed to get the engine and box out in about an hour and a half (not sure if thats a good time or not as this was the first 911 engine I've pulled out).
all went well with the exception of one drive shaft bolt which was striped :(
(not a big deal I use to rebuild drive shafts for a living)
So here are a few more pics, hopefully I will start some cutting and welding tomorrow! fingers crossed, I think I'll start with the drivers side rear so I can fit the mounts on the inner skin for the 993 oil reservoir.
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Hi Adam
was talking with Jason just before chrissie and mentioned some crazy guy forward dating a 75. to a 993 . good to see the project. Interesting to know more about the issues of fitting up the inner 993 structure to carry the suspension.

cheers Michel

Project has come along way keep the pics coming.

wheels
 

The offset needed for your custom build is significantly different than it would be for a 993 car. When I build wheels for 911 with widebody (930 quarters) I routinely use 4.75 - 5.25" outer rim and 5.5 - 6.5 for the inner. That same 11" rear wheel for a 993 TT would be 3.25 and a 7.5 - so if you do not build your rear wheels right you are going to be forced to used 2 -3 " spacers just to make the wheels work. jdorociak@gmail.com

Jim
I do have a set of Speedline Daytona wheels built for wide off set 911 applications.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1325824634.jpg

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Yep I'm not real normal am I!! lol
I haven't spoken to Jason much lately I know he has a lot on so I thought I'd progress with it as far as I could until I get stuck! (until being the operative word).
I did consider doing the suspension out of the 993, but it was really going to need a space frame to be done correctly so I soft-ed out and went for the rebel racing option!

Thanks!!, ask and you shall receive!!

Just a few today as I'm in the middle of moving so I don't have a lot of time.
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Thanks for the heads up Jim! I hate the idea of using spacers so we'll be in touch.

nice project!

Thanks!, I try. :)

do not forget to move the 993 windshield wiper assembly over as that is another nice touch on the 911 conversion. Jim

It's on the list Jim!....... The list seems to be getting bigger though......Lol.
Well as long as my girl doesn't kill me I guess that's ok :)

Jim does great work , he built a set of wheels for me, and they are Great, and he's a nice guy, I love what U are doing with the 993 conversion , Like the pic's keep them coming.

Helio

Ok people no photos today ( getting ready to head back to work tomorrow ) but I do have a question regarding the 3.2 from my car so here goes..... Has anyone done a turbo conversion on one and if so would I get out of it for less then an actual TT conversion..?? Are there any known problems/power limitations (other then $$$).

Thanks in advance.

???? Why can't you register a 993 in OZ?

What a waste of a 993 :p

I'm doing similar... SC suspension into a '66 ..... but my car had major rust.... and the SC parts were from a totalled car.

It looks like you had 2 good cars.


If you need a safety inspection, they're probably going to think you DID just switch VINS

anyway.... subbed :D

It's not that you can't register a 993 in Oz, but this one was an import and we have pretty strict laws on what you can bring in.
Basically if the car is available locally, then you can not import it to register for road use (with a few exceptions) this is supposedly to protect the local market.
We use to have what they called "the 15 year rule" which allowed the import of any car over 15 years old, however they changed it again recently and put a cut off on it so now it's only for cars pre 1989.
The 993 did have A LOT of under body damage on the right hand side not visible from the photos but petty bad once on a hoist! Looks like the previous owner tried to have it fixed (badly) but they did replace all of the rear suspension sub frame so I guess they did kind of try! Finding a lot of filler in the car though so I have my panel beating work cut out for me! Lol.

anyway.. :)


If you do swap the entire floor.... check this thread.... I dunno how much he spent doing the swap, but it probably would have been cheaper to backdate a 997 GT3RS



http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/260064-3-9-rsr-project-my-carrera-reborn.html

Oh god yeah! If ever there was a project that pushed the envelope that was the one!

I wasn't on the fourm when 911teo was building it but I've been through the thread end to end! What a project! I think mine is a splash in the ocean compared to that!

Thanks for the link anyway though.

Wow..very cool project!!! Beautiful and inspiring fabrication.

Shame that the 993 cannot be registered and one less of a rare car on the road, even though it will continue to live through your '75.
Yasin

Ok, update time!! (sorry been busy).
well had some bad luck with the drivers side rear quarter and sill, seems like a lot of bog was used to do what could have been a simple repair but its all fixable with a bit of time a patience!

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The passenger side has come together nicely so far and the factory lower rocker sill is fitting well!!

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so now my attention returns to the front as I'm waiting on parts for the rear. the 993 bonnet latch section has been refitted to align everything you can see in one of the pics I used a laser level to do this. (set the laser on the existing chassis rails and then adjusted the laser on the tripod to keep everything aligned)

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So as you can see although there has been some progress I still have a fair bit to do!