interesting VIN on ebay

jpnovak · 04-03-2002, 05:13 AM

So I was browsing ebay and came across this early car. Granted it has a body update but I was curious about the VIN

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818221894

VIN# = 911360xxx

the car is claimed to be a 73 which fits the vin. however, that 6 should mean something special.

Any takers on the authenticity?

Kurt B · 04-03-2002, 07:21 AM

Dunno, but I sure like the way it looks.

GIBSON · GIBSON's Garage

I doubt that car is a 73. I did not do a VIN check but looking at the dash it does not look like a 73. It has rocker switches on the instrument panel that don't match 73, the wiper arm looks wrong, I'll bet the car is a 74 or so. It looks ok but there is a rust problem that could take big bucks to fix. If the price was right it could be a good candidate to restore into something interesting...

Charley Dog · 04-03-2002, 08:08 AM

I agree. If it's a '73, it was a massive redo including an all new interior. The new front pan and the rust bubbles would, though, be consistent with a crash damaged car that was remade into something else a while ago. If this is the case, I'd be pretty leary.

I'm going to guess that the 6 means something a whole lot less special in mid-year cars?

Early_S_Man · 04-03-2002, 08:10 AM

Yes ... that VIN is for a 'third batch' RS 2.7 ... but the speedo, tach, and dash details aren't original, meaning, of course, that the mileage (assuming it agrees with current speedo) is bogus, and how much more is, too? I doubt it will get many bids! How about those '10 inch' Fuchs???

Have to wonder if the pics are intentionally bad, or just cheap camera?

Anybody ever heard of a RS 2.7with a sunroof?

GeorgeK · 04-03-2002, 11:13 AM

The numbers 91136XXXXX point to a RS '73. However, the number is too high. there were 1590 RS chassis numbers.
The engine refers to a 1971, which makes the CIS strange indeed.
I'd bet on a '74 Carrera 2.7, as the setup would fit.
Warren, yes there were RSs with sunroofs, even 1 or 2 lightweights with sunroof (go fugure).
The door panels show a rotative knob for the lock, not before 1977.
The leftmost gauge is inconsistent with the year
The wipers are inverted in that they rest on the right.
GeorgeK

gator70 · 04-03-2002, 11:22 AM

Could be a cusp car. A 73 RS chassis used on the first few 74s made in the first production run of 74 Carrera.

expatriot98 · 04-03-2002, 11:45 AM

I'm fairly sure this car was on ebay last year. I remember it being in one of the way north states and there being snow on the ground in the pictures back then. That would fit with history this seller gives. I think it went in the $15K range last year, if it is the same.
Mark

724doorE · 04-03-2002, 12:38 PM

Aren't those turbo looking flares different than what would be on a 3.0 RS, or 74 2.7 RS what ever.... too many out of sinc things.

Although if you could locally prove the vin was correct, wouldn't it be worth it to fix?

Dennis H.

72 911E

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

If it's genuine, you would basically be buying the serial number plate only. Everything else would need to be corrected/backdated/restored/etc. Although it would be a $75K car when complete - so maybe it's doable!!!

gator70 · 04-03-2002, 01:03 PM

After checking, my guess is somebody stamped in the VIN, not the factory. There are no vin plates. There is a vin, looks homemade.

The trick here is to take out the dash and look for the production number above the gauges.

The owner would never let you do that.

Anyway without the vin plates. This car if real, would be worth 20K less than a good one.

A few good ones are selling this the mid 40K range now.

An investment that would put you upside down after you spent the money to get it all right.

My guess is this is a 1974 rs, made in the first few days of the 74 production run.

Jack Olsen · 04-03-2002, 01:47 PM

I asked. Here's what he sent me:

(I took his two pictures, cropped and combined them.)

Brian993 · Brian993's Garage

As a 74 would'nt it have accordian style bumpers. Or because of being an RS it would'nt. Just curious.

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Very strange. Is that dash VIN plate look correct? Isn't there supposed to be a space between the 4th and 5th numbers?

gator70 · 04-03-2002, 02:18 PM

Like I said this is not a factory vin plate. These are what is called " re-assigned " vin plates.

Some times the highway patrol makes these, sometime the DMV. Also some shops are authorized to do this with "grey market" cars.

I would not touch this car!

There is no alum front vin plate.

724doorE · 04-04-2002, 05:47 AM

The bottom vin in Jacks photo looks like the one off the plate that is welded to the gas tank support in theat era of cars on the pass. side to me. Physically, it looks just like mine. what do you think?

Dennis H.

72 911E

GeorgeK · 04-04-2002, 07:08 AM

That pic of the vin has NO meaning whatsoever. Anyone with some tools and knowledge can forge you one. Heck I was even offered some of the alloy plates that go on the front compartiment, WITHOUT any markings...
Anyone would want a 911R??? there you go.
GeorgeK

Roland Kunz · 04-04-2002, 11:01 PM

Hello

The VIN on the trunkfloorboard looks correct by type but is somehow to much out of row ( Well sometimes they are a bit irregular ).

Simplest thing is to check the factory body number behind the right kneepad.
Restoring ( the word is a bit problematic ) a RS will need some 75 000 $ and if your RS has to be made from scratch then 150-200 000 $ are maybe the right numbers.

OK if you let do it in mexico you save on labourcosts plus if you don´t restore just repair.....

Grüsse