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ant7 03-14-2012 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scarceller (Post 6622280)
Loren,

You are 100% correct in saying the 89 chip is the best stock chip to use in the 84-89 cars, period end of discussion! The reason is simple: the 89 chip has more aggressive ignition and it's better setup to achieve max cyl pressures at a better time in the stroke. More cyl pressure = more torque.

But what you have not covered is if this 89 chip gets the most cyl pressure possible? The answer simply is NO! I have spent many hours tuning these 84-89 DMEs on a load bearing dyno and can tell you first hand 100% certain that even the 89 chip ignition is not at peak performance ability. I don't know why the factory left such power on the table and I don't care to guess. But the WOT ign map is several degrees off from optimal. Even worse is the fact that the PT ign map is even more off from optimal. The PT ign in the cruise part of the map is way off! After tuning these light load areas of the PT Ign I can keep the car at 60MPH with 8% less air intake! Think about what I just told you, and think about it's effects on MPG. Also this same approach has reduced EGTs significantly.

All I'll say is that on the load dyno it is obvious that more torque can be achieved and most notably is the light to moderate load parts of the PT ign tables.

I respect your insight and opinions and agree that if you want to run the very best factory tune then run the 89 chip. But I'm also very aware that even the 89 chip is not optimal.

:)

McLaren-TAG 03-14-2012 06:11 AM

So for someone with a RoW/Euro engine, the SW chip is not on a priority list for biggest bang for the performance buck?

Currently have an 86 US chassis with a Euro engine/DME. The PO had it as stock intake with SSIs and an early 2 in 1 our OE muffler.

scarceller 03-14-2012 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLaren-TAG (Post 6622380)
So for someone with a RoW/Euro engine, the SW chip is not on a priority list for biggest bang for the performance buck?

Currently have an 86 US chassis with a Euro engine/DME. The PO had it as stock intake with SSIs and an early 2 in 1 our OE muffler.

Steve has many chips for many combos, I suggest you ask him. Don't assume he does not have a chip for your setup.

J.J. 04-01-2012 05:57 PM

Loren, thanks for all your posts, i'm now going out to buy a Steve Wong Chip, you sealed it for me. Thanks again.

megerian 04-01-2012 07:48 PM

I just joined the SW club! Very happy so far. I am no technical expert but I feel the difference, especially in 2nd gear.

KFC911 04-02-2012 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorenfb (Post 6592448)
"....
but now you're commenting about chips which are just a little more complicated, right?

As a youngin', I was programming M6800s at IBMs Advanced Communications Division at RTP when the Porsche ECUs appeared so I know a bit about them from a technical side. I find your deflections amusing.

"Chips suck, case closed" - Lorenfb (circa 2004)

Carry on... :)

scarceller 04-02-2012 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 6662059)
As a youngin', I was programming M6800s at IBMs Advanced Communications Division at RTP

KC911,
I also still work for IBM and programmed the 8051/8052 at IBM in East Fishkill, NY back in the 1985 time frame!

KFC911 04-02-2012 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarceller (Post 6662082)
KC911,
I also still work for IBM and programmed the 8051/8052 at IBM in East Fishkill, NY back in the 1985 time frame!

Cool! I've always known from you technical expertise in these "discussions", that you knew your stuff, and the funny thing is, I have learned a lot from Loren's posts over the years. I just respectfully disagree with his "theoritical" perspective as they apply to the particular chips in question. For you newcomers, go find Loren's posts back when he appeared here on Pelican...btdt "real time"...carry on :)

LJ851 06-26-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorenfb (Post 6824599)

Updated?

You didn't mention Steve Wong in that thread, Were your comments directed at him?

Icemaster 06-26-2012 04:59 PM

Jesus Christ Loren, let it go already. You've already shown your true colors.

You're doing no favors to your already washed up reputation.

Bola964 04-26-2015 02:33 PM

Where did you guys buy your SW chip? Any links?
Thanks!

JJ 911SC 04-26-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bola964 (Post 8595915)
Where did you guys buy your SW chip? Any links?
Thanks!

At the source... 911CHIPS - Performance Chip Tuning for the Porsche 911

Hubatt 07-27-2016 12:19 AM

Found a Steve Wong chip in my '84 Carrera
 
Hi folks. I recently bought a 911 Carrera Targa 3.2 from 84 (US version 930.21) here in old Germany and found a Wong performance chip inside the ecu (see picture attached) The car now has a kat bypass without a sensor installed, open exhaust and a K&N airfilter and I must say, that the car runs very good with that modifications. Spark plugs are more white than brown. :rolleyes: At the time I installed the mods I didn't know about the chip.
Now my questions:
1) The chip is for kat use, but could I run the car without a kat and the sensor? (I'm able to do so over here, because of the cars age)
2) Has the blue turnable switch inside de the MOTRONIC still it's original functions?

I asked 911chips if it's possible to return the chip and get another one, but didn't get an answer.

Cheers
Hubert


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Joe Bob 07-27-2016 12:59 AM

I have one of Steve's chips for my 3.6 powered SC cabriolet. I am still running it.

Compares favorably and most if not all, better to what is out there commercially out of the box. In my case it got rid of the pesky off throttle to WOT hesitation I had with a stock chip. I have tried and tested 5 different chips.

SW's chip is a good thing. More linear power and acceleration than stock, a nice little surge at mid range. I never use first gear anymore except pulling into a driveway or up a trailer ramp. I used to get a bog and close to stalling feeling with the stock chip. So I give his chip an A+.....for what you bought and what it is.

However, nothing is cheap. If you want the chip to be tuned to your individual motor and go beyond what you bought, you NEED dyno time and if you want it to matter, Steve needs to be onsite. Steve told me this. Or have real time access to the pulls...I assume, you'll need to talk to him.

I assume all of this as I only briefly discussed this with him..... to makes the changes to your particular set up. The dyno guy isn't going to do it, Steve is. Pro time is money. Steve is a pro.

I am not going to discuss how much $$ because I am not Steve. Every situation is different. But do not believe that the chip is the end all. No chip is. IT IS a good start and I applaud Steve's efforts and I am a fan.

Just be realistic, it's a slippery slope when you play this game. You have a Porsche, not your Momz AMC Gremlin. Every dyno operator has a waiver you sign. If it splatters on the rollers it ain't his or anyone else's fault but yours.

Please take my opinion for it it is....an opinion. We all know what opinons are like.
YMMV

Joe Bob 07-27-2016 02:08 AM

you can reach SW at SWChips.com - Performance Chip Tuning for Porsche

google is your friend.

And, yes I know this is a 4 year old thread....

DRACO A5OG 07-27-2016 08:58 AM

Be patient, He is super busy tuning all the racers lately does not have moment to breathe and fill orders. He will get to you, I am certain of it :D

Porsche 935 07-27-2016 11:54 AM

I ordered mine on line- it was a instock unit and had it in a few days. Best investment I've made in the car so far!

McLaren-TAG 07-27-2016 06:25 PM

Not doing anything is an option especially if you're happy with the way things are. Getting the chip reprogrammed for the specific upgrades you've got will get you a handful of additional horses and torque though and perhaps a smoother response. There's not much you can do to these cars for easy power beyond what you just did so don't leave anything on the table, get it reprogrammed by Steve.

Roger 911 10-02-2016 12:30 PM

I thought I'd add to the already extensive amount of info on Steve Wong chips. I just installed one in my '84 3.2 motor and I am a very happy camper (cat bypass, 93 oct). Prior to Steve's chip, I had a $40 Racing Pros chip in there (sold on Ebay). The Racing Pros chip was a marginal improvement over the stock '84 chip, but it was not perfect. The idle would hunt when cold, there was some occasional bucking at part throttle between 2-3k rpm, and it would always pop back through the exhaust when you let the clutch out between shifts. With Steve's chip installed, ALL of those problems are gone. It is just more tractable and refined all around. I was kind of hoping this might be the outcome, but wasn't really expecting it. Very happy!

Roger

frankoporsche 11-24-2016 11:00 PM

Hi Steve
My car is 1986 porsche 911 with 1987 28 pins ECU.
also have this SSI with B and B tune muffler with no Cat
our octane here 91
question which chip do you recommending for my car ?


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