O.K., here's one where you got lost in the technical details of a rebuild:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-engine-rebuilding-forum/260251-carrera-rebuild-10-3-pistons-cylinders.html

Now for the other ones.

How about this one:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/478714-carrera-distributor-coil-connections.html

Like it really matters what's positive or negative.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/326574-carrera-distributor-mechanical-advance.html

Oh, and here's the other insightful info about how the distributor controls the
timing in a DME ECM system. Don't really need a 'performance' chip, just change
the distributor weights, right?

I've certainly never claimed to know everything Loren. Even in your quote I note that it's likely someone more knowledgeable will contribute one way or another.

I'm just trying to learn. I ask questions but you don't answer. Instead you are looking for dirt on me!?!

Doesn't seem like a good way to use your knowledge. Or a good way to promote your business.

And what are you talking about "a credit for my chip"?!

Goodnight. I have learned the same lesson everyone else learned years ago. This is pointless.

"I'm just trying to learn. I ask questions but you don't answer."

I've presented the issues. If you like many don't accept them, then that's find.
Have nothing to gain either way you view the issues. At least the issues are 'on-the-table'.
If you don't accept them, then ignore them like others should do, but it obviously has
raised some concern since many have to do personal attacks. Too bad some get so
upset over contrary views. Maybe because some now question their past decisions, right?

Like some think a strut brace is a waste of money. But like many, I wasted my money and
put one on my 3.2. Like I really drive it that hard that it needs one. At least I can see how
my 'performance' mod affects my car and that I see and touch my wasted money.

Loren,

Glad you brought up the thread about pistons and cylinders. The best we have here on Pelican were on that thread including Wayne himself. That turned into a very infomative thread which I learned a lot and and it provided a huge amount of info to this board. Your negative inflamatory remarks are in many threads. It will not stop until a ban is in place again. Too bad since I believe you have information to share and won't or dont care too.. Nothing new from you in the 9 years I have been on this forum..........:confused:

hi Loren,
when i originaly asked the questions you have copied above, i think you know that it wasnt because i didnt know the answers, i just wanted to try and get you to finaly give us some positive info that we know you know, my problem with you is maybe on a diffrent level to others here, what i think your trying to tell us in a roundabout way [please correct me if i am wrong here] that basicaly what we should have done instead of getting a 911 Chips chip is just fit the later DME, or upgrade our original DME's to gain the same spec as the 88/89 versions, ok, i get that, but are you realy telling us that we could have gained the same improvements by doing this to what we seemed to have gained by the Steve Wong chip ? If this is the case then why not prove that, you seem to be very capable of doing this right ? Surely this would give you more credit than just keeping on doing what you have been doing for at least the 4 or 5 years i have been here. If you can do this, then just tell us what was done in the later DME's to gain the extra performance, better running etc, and tell us why you think in your opinion this is the better option than Steve wongs version, then maybe some of us can at least grasp what it it is your beating yourself up about.
Please' this post is meant to be constructive, therefore, if you havent got anything constructive to give/add to it, dont say anything, but if you feel you can answer in a positive way that we may learn something, then please go ahead.

Anthony.

I (still) want to know what was changed in the chip for 88-89.

Thanks,

Doyle

Classic Loren, I wish the stock market or lottery was as predictable as you.

Attacking someone for asking a question in the interests of furthering knowledge is about the lowest form of retort. Pretty sure that it surpasses the "nyah nyah nyah, I know I am but what are you!"

This forum is about sharing knowledge and learning at it's core. You've proven time and again that you're not interested in that Loren, take the hint and go away. There's not a single person here who can't see thru your Quixotic antics.

Steve W., you're invited to this question, as well.....10:1 you've the stock maps from those years and can comment as to programming specificity of the various elements....

I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and predict they advanced the timing (for one), albeit conservatively...Of course, I could easily be wrong,..as this is a PURE guess on my part.

Still,..surely someone 'round here KNOWS?:confused:

Thanks (again),

Doyle

"If you havent got anything constructive to give/add to it, dont say anything, but if you feel you can answer in a positive way that we may learn something, then please go ahead."

Just re-read this thread, it's all there! I made my points.
Hey, if you disagree, then it's time to agree to disagree and move on!

Unsubscribing. Thanks, Loren, for ruining a thread that could have been informative. You have NOT made ANY useful points. You have dodged 100% of the crucial questions.

If you want to attack me just send a PM.

Move on everybody. Nothing to see here.

Not the changes made to the programming of the ECU for the 88-89 versions...(specifics, that is,..I did catch the adjectives) Maybe I can find the maps on line somewhere,..look at 'em then come back with questions.....time to do some googling, I guess....or PM Steve or some other programmers out there that may know the answer.

I must say that I've not rx'd any personal attacks from anyone, at all. Also,..I don't quite know why I can't get the answer here. If the expert(s) don't actually know, then just say so,..and I'll move on.....otherwise, cough it up,..please?

This "avoidance" is killing me!!!!!!!!!!! :confused:

Thanks,

Doyle

Man, I love a good train wreck....but even my morbid curiosity has been over-satiated.

Please, moderators, have mercy on us....CLOSE AND LOCK THIS THREAD.

Thank God that I bought a roll bar for my "Frankenstein Pansy" Cab... Which is equipped with a SW chip; Hee Haw :)

P.S . Someone on this thread does not know about the "Quote" button :rolleyes:

261 HP out of a 3.4 liter engine is 76.76 HP per liter...That is not an outrageous claim and very reasonable for a sporting street engine. Sir Harry Ricardo and Philip Hubert Smith would not disagree.


http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/dt-ce.jpg

By the book.

Nice Try Andy
 

Andy, I too was waiting for the answers to your questions. I feel your questions were reasonable and it was unfortunate that you were unjustly attacked by Loren. I can almost picture Loren seated as his computer laughing as he eggs everyone on. I work near a Porsche garage and I talk with the mechanics regularly. They advised me to get the SW chip and told me it would not hurt my engine. I took their advice and bought the chip. Good luck with your purchase if you decide to buy one.

Despite the conflict, as a newbie, I've found this thread to be extremely informative. My '87 had the DME replaced by the PO - he was not a very good record-keeper, so I have no info on the new DME. I'm guessing that it's possible that the DME is an updated version, but what should I be looking for to find out? Are there codes, stampings, other markings that would tell me? Before I invest in an updated DME or aftermarket chip, I'd like to know what it is that I already have.

Despite the conflict, as a newbie, I've found this thread to be extremely informative. My '87 had the DME replaced by the PO - he was not a very good record-keeper, so I have no info on the new DME. I'm guessing that it's possible that the DME is an updated version, but what should I be looking for to find out? Are there codes, stampings, other markings that would tell me? Before I invest in an updated DME or aftermarket chip, I'd like to know what it is that I already have.


Remove and open the DME..take a look. Take some pictures and send to SW. I had the same question with a mystery chip and Steve was very helpful.

He has some detailed instructions available here.

911Chips.com - Motronic Chip Installation Instructions

"Remove and open the DME..take a look and take pictures and send"

- db_cooper -

If this poster had fully read many posts, especially the last, he would have the simple
answer, "28 pins" - that's the latest version. But like many, didn't read and understand
what's posted and just love to be in the attack mode as most lemmings on this thread
was/are!

"My '87 had the DME replaced by the PO"

Loren..be civil and stop with the sarcastic drama queen posts.

Smoove1010 may not have an 87 DME box under the seat. It could be an earlier DME.


http://www.rjdposters.com/Content/St...7645-GAB18.JPG

"Smoove1010 may not have an 87 DME box under the seat. It could be an earlier DME."

Some just can't read, even when they're given the answer!

So to provide for the reading handicapped:

Just open the DME ECM and count the pins! If the EPROM has 28 pins
(whether it's an '84-'87 or not), then the unit was converted or has been
replaced with a totally new 28 pin DME ECM. It's that SIMPLE!

Bottom line: You should have a least learned the above from this thread,
if nothing else. But can't expect much from the typical poster in this thread,
right?