More Street Racing Fun

[widebody911]

So I'm on my home last night, and this dewd in a B*tchin' Camaro wants to run. Traffic is light, but we're in town, in a moderately patrolled area. In short, not the best place to be drag racing. I know I can take him, but it's not the best place to do it.

We have a rolling start, and CamaroBoy blips the throttle, lurches, I do the same. We both take off, run it up to about 60 or so, and now we're coming up on a light that just changed to yellow. CamaroBoy lifts, I don't. CamaroBoy sees that I haven't lifted, and gets back on it. But what CamaroBoy doesn't know is that I already have my left foot on the brakes, touching them ever so slightly to get them ready. The light turns red. At the last second, I bring the full force of the best Brembo and Porsche had to offer in 1980 to bear, and stop, like NOW. CamaroBoy panics, locks them up, and slides across the crosswalk into the intersection in a cloud of smoke and noise. He then sheepishly puts it in reverse, and backs up to where I am. He glares over at me, and I yell to him "Hey, ya gotta have horsepower and brakes!"

[Brian993]

Forgot to mention brains.

[Saffs]

With respect, it's a good job there was no pedestrian, like some old person, or someone with a kid, on the crosswalk. CamaroBoy wouldn't be driving like that without you competing with him, would he? He could have knocked some down on the crosswalk or driven in to the intersection and hit other cars, you would have been equally to blame - how would you feel like a family member of yours on that crosswalk, at that moment in time?
I'm not someone who sticks to the speed limit and complains at posts like this here, but this is just quite stupid and not to be boasted about....
Again, with respect, Thom.

[widebody911]

I see people do this when there is nobody around. I've even seen city busses overcook the brakes and end up across the crosswalk, and I'm sure they weren't racing someone. It's a simple matter of being clueless about the limits of your car.

Originally posted by Saffs
With respect, it's a good job there was no pedestrian, like some old person, or someone with a kid, on the crosswalk. CamaroBoy wouldn't be driving like that without you competing with him, would he? He could have knocked some down on the crosswalk or driven in to the intersection and hit other cars, you would have been equally to blame - how would you feel like a family member of yours on that crosswalk, at that moment in time?
I'm not someone who sticks to the speed limit and complains at posts like this here, but this is just quite stupid and not to be boasted about....
Again, with respect, Thom.

[island911]

Giving lessons on slowing down.. .what bad about that

[RarlyL8]

You have been swatted over the head with a rolled up newspaper - with respect. HAHAHAHAH!

Any moron that crosses a street without looking first gets a free Darwin award.

You are not responsible for the actions of others, nomatter what our rediculous bleeding heart court system thinks. Utter BS.
If I jump off a cliff will you follow? Morons.

[Saffs]

Originally posted by widebody911
I see people do this when there is nobody around. I've even seen city busses overcook the brakes and end up across the crosswalk, and I'm sure they weren't racing someone. It's a simple matter of being clueless about the limits of your car.

OK. Well, that's alright then....!
The fact of the matter was you, through racing someone, forced them, even though they're unaware of their cars stopping ability, to overrun a crosswalk and potentially go in to cross-traffic. But, because you're an experienced driver and they are not, it's their fault....
You think if someone did get run over that is what you're excuse would be? Yeah, you'd be fine....
If anyone, by themselves, or otherwise, ran some over like that, it's going to be no excuse to say, everyone does it time to time. But in this case, CamaroBoy, aware of his cars performance or not, did this because you were racing him.
I've done stuff like this before, too. I was much younger and always felt like an arse afterwards thinking, I won't do that again, I'll kill someone or something - or make someone else do it....
Again, what if you're kid or something was on that crosswalk then. Do you get what I mean?

[Saffs]

Originally posted by RarlyL8
You have been swatted over the head with a rolled up newspaper - with respect. HAHAHAHAH!

Any moron that crosses a street without looking first gets a free Darwin award.

You are not responsible for the actions of others, nomatter what our rediculous bleeding heart court system thinks. Utter BS.
If I jump off a cliff will you follow? Morons.

So, if a crosswalk says "Walk" and someone runs you over it's your fault?
So when you cross the road at a crosswalk that says Walk - or your kids, or elderly relative - you look both ways all the time and dive out of the way at Camaro sliding at you, and say, "Oh sorry for being in your way, Sir".
I doubt you - or I - would say that, more like WTF are you doing in my crosswalk, and you, racing him that Porsche....!

[Brian993]

Its interesting to read the about the yahoo's who race on the street, like there hero's or something. Who cares, really. Anybody can act like a jackass and put the pedal to the floor and run threw the gears. Even if you know how to brake or turn or whatever.

I believe there are more people here who could respect an adult who is able to contain himself during these times of adolescent behavior. I would expect something like this from an inexperienced 16 - 20 year old kid with poor judgement. But from an adult it is inexcusable. Save it for the track, then you can come back here and boast about beating this one or that one with a clear concience.

I mean really what is the point?

[NYSCAR]

You are not responsible for the actions of others, nomatter what our rediculous bleeding heart court system thinks.

well regardless of what you or anyone else on this board *thinks*, if two people are street racing and either one of them ends up getting killed or killing someone, our "bleeding heart court system" will most likely throw both their butts in jail.

[pbs911]

Bad Thom, bad. I believe your actions are a result of your new found hp / torque. I will have to take the 3.6 away from you now. Please deliver it to my garage and I will replace it with my 3.0. That should take away you urge to drag race.

[jay castriotta]

No you won't! Let me help him. I'll take the 3.6!

[Pillow]

OMG!

I think Thom drives his car and CamaroBoy drives his car. It is a free country and people should stand on thier own "mistakes" (like running a light on full brake lock up).

I understand the "walk" sign, but again Darwin on people who do not LOOK both ways before crossing. Only an idiot would cross the street only relying on that signal. Just as I look both ways before entering an intersection in my car on a green traffic light.

The story is hilarious!

This bleading heart blaming everyone except the root cause of the problem is crud!

"Because I live in the ghetto I smoke crack" BS!

"Because my friends street race so do I" BS!

"The movie Natural Born Killers made me do it, it's Hollywood's fault" BS!

LAME!

People need to learn to pick up thier balls and stand up for thier actions. Society is starting to sound like a whinny lying 5 year old after getting caught in the cookie jar.

PS. Although it seems that I always end up seeing things differently than Saffs I am sure he is a great guy to meet and I would love to have a beer with him one day... Maybe I can make him see the light No personal offense is meant to anyone by my above personal views.

[RarlyL8]

HAHA!
Just the response I figured on.

So if the crossing guard is not down, but there is a train coming, would you still go? The sign says you can go.

No, the story as told above is stupid and irresponsible. You should know better than to speed into a crosswalk, for a lot of reasons. But to say that the lemings crossing the road shouldn't at least look around is just as lame.

So you would put your life in the hands of a traffic sign?
You may be right, dead right.

[rickeolis]

When I was in high school, I was racing a guy in town, and we both went into a street with a long sweeping curve. I was in back and the other guy just came around a front yard, and I was coming up on it when a 3 year old ran out in front of me with his big wheel trike. I ended up in the yard to avoid him, the kid was allright, so I backed out the other way, and learned my lesson about racing in town. Never again.
I still haul ass, but not in residential areas. I live out in the country these days, so I have a lot more places to have fun, and a car that will do it! Well hey though, we bought 911's to have fun in, not look at.

I like the quote that someone has on their signature here: "Drive it like you stole it!"
Just don't take out innocent people in the process...

Jeez, I was just thinking back on all the stunts I pulled on my dirtbikes in my 20's, it's a wonder I'm here at all!

[widebody911]

To take the scenario a little further, let's say I'm driving to work the morning after a track day, and I still have my Kumho's on (do this a lot, actually) because I was too shagged out to take 'em off the night before. Now let's say I'm taking the Hwy 65 connector at 60 (which would be slow for me) with a Mugen'd-out honda with 1" exhaust flowing into a 6" tailpipe is right on my ass. I bump up to 65 MPH (still slow for me) and Honda-san doesn't have the traction and slides off the road. Am I responsible for his (or her as is becoming popular) combination of poor driving skills and poor car prep?

I'm I'm driving down a country road at any given speed, and barely clear a RR x-ing just before the Amtrack train, and the redneck who tailgating my a$$ becomes tonight's news story, am I responsible for that?

To sanitize the example, let's say I'm at Thunderhill coming down the back straight at 100+ with an M3 with stock brakes right on my tail. I brake, downshift to 3rd and turn in. Ms. M3 doesn't have the braking capacity I do, and 800lbs more weight, and takes out the tire wall - am I responsible for providing an example that she couldn't follow?

If you said "yes" to the street example and "no" to the track example - explain why? If you said "yes" to the track example, I really want to know why! Show your work.

If I go to the neighborhood pool and execute a perfect 2 1/2 off the 3M board, the Joe Fratboy attempts the same dive and bellyflops, am I to blame?

When I spooled it up to 60MPH driving down the street, I did so knowing I was speeding, yet I'd evaluated the fun/risk factors and decided the odds were in my favor. If there had been one of those funny-looking black and white cars along side me, I may have decided otherwise.

Is goading others to do stupid stuff, or stuff beyond their capabilities, illegal? How about the time I was next to a ricer at a light and rev'd my engine, signaling that I wanted to run, when I *knew* there was a cop on the other side of the intersection turning into our path? Should *I* have got the ticket when he took off in a (short-lived) blaze of glory while I stayed put as the light changed?

There have been countless times when someone wanted to run me, but I declined because I thought circumstances and the environment were not proper. I'm not saying I'm an angel - far from it! The whole point of my original post was to show that one has to know one's limits.

[cag911]

so much for social responsibility

[nostatic]

Originally posted by RarlyL8

Any moron that crosses a street without looking first gets a free Darwin award.

I shall be sure and tell every kid in the world they are morons...

While I appreciate your Libertarian ethos, drivers have a responsiblility to obey the law and respect life. Pedestrians were around long before cars. And besides, if my kid was in a crosswalk with a green and got hit by some yahoo who was racing (or a yahoo that was drunk or on the phone, etc), I'd want the key thrown away...

[widebody911]

So where does social responsibilty start and where does it end? Right this minute, someone may be crossing against the light in front of my office to go get a sandwich across the street - should I be out there preventing that?

Should I drive 50MPH in the #1 lane to prevent others from speeding, in the name of social responsibilty?

Or should we mandate devices such that no car may exceed the speed limit, which would be transmitted to our cars via a roadside device? (hey, we mandated airbags and catalytic converters...)

Originally posted by cag911
so much for social responsibility

[Kurt B]

Again, when you put yourself in the opposition's circumstances, do you blame the other driver? For instance, I take the turn too fast to keep up with Joe Schmo, and my first declarationg as I rise from the wreck is "You made the turn too fast for my car...now look at what you did!"

Nope, don't think so. I'm sure you wouldn't think so either.

Personal responsibility right on down the line. We're adults.