Chad there are pics of 9x17 +15 TruDesign wheels with 255/40/17 tires on page 2 of my build thread:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/396207-my-1977-911-s-widebody-backdate-project-2.html

Yes the ride height is high along with minimal negative camber... but you get the idea.

No problem. I'll take a picture for you when I get home. The picture will be a bit funky because my car is on dollies with no engine and crapload of stuff on top of it- pretty embarrassing.

It's a dedicated race car so the camber is at least -2.5. I'll plumb bob it to see where its at w/out engine right now. I was quite surprised that the tire fit inside the flare with the 49mm spacer combo. Maybe my flares were widened a bit more than typical when the SC-930 modification was done?

Here's some pictures with just the single spacers on there. So you can see there's a good bit more room to push the wheel outboard.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354898634.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354898654.jpg


Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying I race the car with the 28+21 spacer combo. I finally got my '87 back together and when I tried to install the factory Porsche alloy nuts on the rear, my studs were too longback there. So I had to pirate some open steel lugs from the racecar. I simply put the spacers on the racecar because I needed to make the closed-end aluminum lugnuts fit on the very long 100mm studs.

Kevin,

Don't worry about taking additional pics. I can see what I need to see from the pics above.

I'm not so sure you'd want that wheel/tire combo spaced out any more. If you did you may start rubbing under full compression. Perhaps another 10mm or so but that's it before you would probably start running into rubbing issues.

Just my $0.02. Nice car BTW!

I would take 40 wheels of mixed sizes.
17x8
17x9
17x9.5
17x11
Happy with offsets you have mentioned according to fitments and experience.

Regards

Brent

I have a 1988 930 and am looking for a 17 inch wheel that fills the wheel well and will also allow me to mount without using the rear spacer, for a deeper dish. Will the below 11 inch wheel fit in this way? Or, will I still need to use spacers?


8x17 +30
9x17 +15
9.5x17 +19
10x17 -15
11x17 0

This would be great :)

No problem. Wasn't planning to actually race with the 49mm of spacer. I was just surprised that the stack of spacers actually fit and didn't cause significant interference with the fender flare.

Thanks for the compliment. Undergoing a slantnose/934 adaptation for the front end to improve some aero. So hopefully it'll turn out OK

I would buy a two 17x10 -15 & two 17x9 +15..... Then after confirming everything works like it should on the race track, buy another set.

Is this still a possibility?

Hey there Pelicans - here are what I believe to be my final thoughts on the subject of 17" wheels. YMMV. No guarantees on fitment implied! :) However I am trying to help so here goes...

1. Add 15 mm of increased mounting pad depth for big brakes (additional caliper overhang clearance in pic below). If the wheels are designed properly this will not affect overall wheel offsets (however wheel faces could be pushed out 15 mm to make up for the 15 mm of additional clearance on the backsides of the wheels. This could make the wheel appearance 'less deep' however visually the 10" and 11" wheels will still have plenty of depth.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1349129593.gif

2. Suggested widths and offsets:

8" +30 (911 F + R, late 930 front, early 930 front retaining factory 21 mm spacers, 944 F + R, 914 F + R). May need to replace metal strut boots with Bilstein-Febi rubber accordian boots.

9" +12 (G series 911 rear, early 930 front minus factory spacers, widebody RSR 911 front, 944 rear). Minor bumper trimming may be required for front fitment depending on ride height.

10" -26 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 10" wheel outer lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed. Inner clearance is same as 9x16 +15 Fuchs with 28 mm factory rear spacers.

11" -13 (widebody 911 RSR rear, 930 rear minus factory rear spacers). Spacers optional but not required. Open face lugnuts may be needed. On a 930 minus rear factory spacers the 11" outer wheel lip will sit 1" closer to the outer fender (the 11" -13 outer wheel lip sits in the same spot as the 10" -26 outer wheel lip). The inside wheel lip will sit ~1" closer to the suspension vs. a 9x16 Fuchs with factory 28 mm rear spacer installed.

Feel free to check my math. My offset calculations are based on personal experience, OEM Fuchs sizes/offsets, 21mm front 28mm rear 930 spacer sizes, and the additional outer lip step that is absent on OEM Fuchs wheels. Please note I don't like the -27 offset of the 11x15 Fuchs when used with 17" diameter wheel sizes. The offsets on the 10" and 11" wheels give ~0.55" of additional outer fender clearance vs. the -27 ET of the 11x15 Fuchs wheels.

Example: Here's a 10x16" -15 ET BZ wheel in RSR finish. The wheel center location of the 10x17 -26 ET will look very similar but with an additional 15 mm of brake clearance.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351526959.jpg

3. Other suggested custom sizes and offsets:

7 +30 (911 F + R, 914 F + R)
9.5 +19 (G series 911 rear, widebody 911 front) Verburg spec
10 +15 (911 ST rear) Plavan spec

4. One last thing - no paint in the lug holes! Block off the lug holes with lugnuts during the painting process so the mounting surface is bare.

I hope this info helps some folks with getting good fitment on their cars. If so make sure you post pics!

Great information Scott. I'll pass along to the factory. We are inching closer.

Anything new to report? I need 17" wheels in 17x9 and 17x10 VERY soon. I'm afraid I'm getting ready to order from another source (But I don't want to!)

Development is moving along Plavan, all be it somewhat slowly. We are waiting for renderings to see what the wheel will look like before pulling the trigger. Best guess right now is wheels start shipping in June.

Thanks for the update and keeping us in the loop.

The New 17" BZ Classic for Porsche. Coming soon to a BRAID dealer near you.


7x17 et+39
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...91044052_o.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...46879408_o.jpg
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...99700128_o.jpg


9.5x17 et+19
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...08589184_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...07850068_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...98961806_n.jpg

Other widths and offsets will be offered too of course.

Very cool.

For the love of God please 9 and 11 x 17 for turbo or turbo bodied 74 to 89!

I'm not sure if god will have any input but I;m pretty sure we will have you covered.

Here are some color images of the 17" BZ prototype.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...91536499_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...92765519_n.jpg

Me likey. I'm just waiting for my offset/width- wallet is ready :)

7x17 et+39
8x17 et+21
9.5x17 et+19
11x17 et+00

I have to wait for-
17x10 et-15 & 17x9 +15 (9.5x17 et+19 could work)

Hey there Paul,

What's the current eta on the above sizes? Also will custom sizes and offsets be available?

Thanks for the info,

So you are saying the "turbo width Fuchs are now available?

How much? I can't find them online.

Heard from Braid europe that 17in are not being made.

Not being made "yet".

Short question to Braid USA

I have heard rumors that the Fuchs wheel design is patent protected by Fuchs.

Is this patent valid only for Europe? What are the patent rules in the US.?

http://www.fuchsfelge.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Relaunch/Download/deutsch/SonderdruckSchmiederaederFuerAudi.pdf

By the way original Fuchs wheels can be also directly purchased over their web side.

http://www.fuchsfelge.de/index.php?id=336

BR
Bob

Paul:

I've been trying to reach you concerning 17" wheels.

Shoot me a pm or email when you get a chance.

Thanks,

~chris

PM sent Chris.

No idea Bob. Referred to our legal people.

BTW looks like those wheels are only for later Porsches.

The original Fuchs Wheel is available in

Vorderachse:
7J x 17, ET55 | 7,50 kg | EUR 529,00*

Hinterachse:

8J x 17, ET52 | 7,70 kg | EUR 559,00*

9J x 17, ET55 | 7,95 kg | EUR 589,00*

see link. Also in 18"

http://www.fuchsfelge.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Relaunch/Gutachten/Verwendungsbereich_Stand02.04.13.pdf

Uncool post- plus they don't fit our cars.

Poor Guy you don´t have a 996 or 997
How about a 964. Your life is treating you bad. I feel sorry for you.

I wish you all good luck. But uncool is if replica wheels are being sold and nobody knows about if a design patent is existing or not.

And then complaining of the China Copy Paste mentality.

The poor buyer has a finacial disaster if that happens.


Bob

Spoken like a true "Douchetard". Apparently you have not seen my small car collection. All valued much more than a 996/997, and especially a 964.

No need to feel sorry for me, I'm living the life.

Back on topic-
Can't wait for the 17's!

Now, now boys. Please.

Looks like the 17" are priced on the Braid website now.

What's the current ETA? And are these made to suit the 930?

Thanks

I don't quite get the offset of the 8x17 wheel. It's opposite of what was suggested earlier in this thread. Don't get me wrong - with mods the +21 wheel can work on the front of the aircooled 911s but if you're not going to go with a higher offset (like +25 or +30 for easier front fitment) why don't you at least use the stock (951 spec) +23.3 offset?

The flip side is I believe we have discussed that custom offsets will be available so there is still hope that proper fitting BZ wheels will be available!

We need to get an order together of 80 wheels before they can go into production. We will need a 50% deposit to get on the list. Production should take 3-4 months once we place the order.

I'll check that 8x17 offset too.

Paul,

I suggest you send brentrussell a PM as he mentioned in this thread he'll take 40 wheels himself. I'm also in for a set (I'll email you to confirm a few details).

It looks like this is getting closer to reality!

Thanks Scott,

Brent and I have been talking.

Nearly $1000 per wheel?