You know anything about auto painting?

[pryord]

The clearcoat and some of the paint are peeling off the hood and top of my SC. A couple of the spots are beginning to show surface rust. Next winter, I'd like to strip the hood and top myself. Then I'd pay someone to paint them as a temporary fix until I can get a decent paint job "one day". Do any of you have advice or can you recommend a book? Also, how much should I expect to pay for the metallic color match and painting?

THANKS!

[Rot 911]

Check out this forum strictly for questions on painting and body work: http://www.autorestorer.com/q_boards/body/index.cgi

[Kurt B]

If you're gonna do that, just wait to get the whole thing painted. For them to match it and do it is harder than to just match it and paint the whole car. Plus, if they are off slightly, you'll be able to tell. In fact, they have to match not the paint, but the faded paint.

They never will. From an experience stand point, you're better off going to a shop and telling them you want the whole car 'resprayed' the same color and that you will do all of the removal of items and repair and dents with bondo and primer before you bring it in. Remove all rubber, tape off what you don't want to fuss with (like the door handles) and make it pretty much idiot proof. Assume they'll mask the windows and interior, tires, and stuff, but everything else, including all rubber, lights, etc remove yourself.

This way, for 12 or 15 hundred bucks, you can get the car totally resprayed and perfectly matched.

[pryord]

Kurt, I'd love to repaint the entire car, but I there are other things I want to spend money on first (clutch, tranny work). So for now, I'm looking for a quick fix that will protect the car from the PNW rain and look decent.

David

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

Nonsense. a $1,200 or $1,500 paint job, particularly if you don't remove a whole lot more than just some rubber and aren't even competent enough to remove door handles--say nothing of glass--is going to be a piece of scheiss.

Stephan

[epbrown]

I disagree with that. The concourse winner at Pebble Beach will never be quoted saying he got the car painted at Maaco, true, but we're talking about a same-color repaint on a body that sounds as if it's in good condition. We aren't going to see Viper Green in the wheel wells or under the carpets or something like that. Sounds like a nice enough job for a driver.

Emanuel

[jenmcd]

David,
My brother does restorations for a living. I also know a bit about paint and bodywork by working part time in his shop. If you strip it your self and just have it primed and painted (no bodywork and minimal color sanding) the price shouldn't be too bad. If you need help/advice, I'll be happy to help.

Keith

BTW The cost of just the paint jobs for cars entered at Pebble Beach would make most people faint. $30 to 60k+ is not uncommon.

[Kurt B]

Then david, I recommend going to www.paintscratch.com and order a can or two of their stuff. I did body panels on my car with it (on my page you can see the tail, which I used their paint)--better than peeling paint I can assure you; nearly perfect if you take your time. See what they can do for you. You'll paint it thick, sand it with 400 grit, and apply clearcoat. It will look better than chipping and peeling but will not cost you an arm and a leg.

[epbrown]

Originally posted by jenmcd
BTW The cost of just the paint jobs for cars entered at Pebble Beach would make most people faint. $30 to 60k+ is not uncommon.

I know - there was an "insider's view" in the last RR newsletter, a story from a club member that was invited after restoring a '37 RR. Heck, the guy in the Excellence article a while back seemed to spend as much just having the car cleaned as most people spend on paint!

Emanuel

[Two Oh]

Back in the late '60's Steve McQueen had his Ferrari 275 NART Spyder painted at a shop in Berkeley California. It was painted purple and almost looked black. The price was $500.00 and Steve McQueen complained that the price was too high.

In SoCal circa 1990, Junior shot a Ferrari Daytona "Fly Yellow"
Minimal body work.

Price..$100,000.00

One hundred thousand dollars USD.

Do you know why "Fly Yellow" is called "Fly Yellow?"

[bob tilton]

it would seem that if a car just needed a "respray" and you were willing to remove trim yourself, it could be done for about $1500. my question is - what is involved in the process? does the body shop sand the car enough to give the paint some tooth or do they sand the clearcoat? my car will be going in for a respray and i want it all done. i get paid to see color for a living and a silver that is slightly too warm, cool or has any cast will bother me everyday if i just did one panel. anyway, back to my question - what is involved in a respray?
bob
silver 68L

[ChrisBennet]

Originally posted by Two Oh
Do you know why "Fly Yellow" is called "Fly Yellow?"

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! FLY = Ferrari Light Yellow

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

Guess you don't speak jive.

Stephan

[joehahn]

Bob, did/do you have any rust spots or body that you will address before respray? I too want "respray" but have silver dollar size bubble near rocker and a few bubbles near rear targa window sill. I have been told everything from "cut out, weld in and match color" to "sand and bondo, it's your car who cares".
I too have the $1,000 quote for respray and was wondering if these little spots will be a beeeyatch (there's some jive) to address.

Joe 68 L

[pryord]

Joe,

I used to have a '69 911. When I was getting some repair work done on the hood from a fender bender, they also fixed a quarter size rust hole on top of the fender near the windshield. The shop was very particular and it almost killed them not to replace the entire fender! I talked them into repairing the hole. They spent a great deal of time digging all the rust out, before filling and painting. I couldn't tell the rust had ever been there when they were done. It looked great!

So back to my original question everyone! How much to respray if I do the prep work on the hood and top?

Thanks!

[Kurt B]

Look for a shop to do it for 1200 to 1500
Put it this way, I took the rubber off and had my car resprayed for 1200. I mean, I beat the ever living ***** out of my car, so there is no way I could ever justify spending anything more--I've got the new bumpers, added a tail etc. It ain't a garage queen.

You can see, it looks fine in web page. I mean, for 1200 bucks, it looks fine
And in a year, if I get sick of it, I'll go have the whole thing painted again, hell I dunno.

Just remove the stuff, and tape over the decals in the door jambs and engine bay yourself and go to a small hole-in-the-wall place and have em do it. They'll take pride at a small place in doing a good job on your car to get you by for a few years.

When your ship comes in, you'll get a 993 right? Okay, don't sweat it...you can baby that one to death with fancy this and fancy that. Get that thing looking decent and new for now.

[bob tilton]

kurt B

i completely agree with your viewpoint. i plan to slap on a $1500 paint job late this summer. the po installed the rs style f bumper and the extended r bumper on the car. i plan to go back to original. the car has a quarter size ding in the hood and joahahn (how have you been?) i do have a thumbnail size rust spot near the driverside bottom windshield. both window seals need to be replaced.
i will go to a hole in the wall place (owner behind the counter enjoying a smoke and writing quotes on the back of receipts) that did some work with my nissan. they had an old school jag in the lot at the time.
bob

[Hellgate]

You know the old Bell helmet ad, "If you've got a $10.00 head buy a $10.00 helmet." Quality paint work ain't cheap.

I had my old and faded 528 repainted at Maaco for about $950 and the results were so-so.

If you plan on keeping the car get a good paint job. The prep work is the most expensive part of the job, the paint is the cheap part.

[widebody911]

I honestly think that some of these super-expensive paint jobs are simply ego trips for the owners, so they can tell their buddies at the country club that they just spent $XX,XXX getting their Ferrari re-sprayed from bare metal.

Down here in the cheap seats, we're a bit more cost concious. It's true that there's a certain degree of skill involved in painting a car, but most of it is monotonous grunt work. It's one thing to pay a guy to section in new panels and make it look original - that's skill. I know because I've done both. I personally don't see the the point of paying a shop $75/hr to in turn pay some kid $6/hr to sand my car.

Unless you plan to show the car, a $XX,XXX paint job is a waste of money. If you're driving the car every day, and especially if you're driving the car on the track, that paint is going to take abuse. Rocks and shopping carts don't care if you have a cheap paint job or an expensive one.

Personally, I'd rather take the $XX/hr * XX hours and plow it into some other part of the car. For the DIY type of Porsche owner, it makes much more economic sense to dismember the car yourself, do as much prep work as you can, and then hand it over to the body guy for the final bodywork and paint. And for the ultimate DIY, paint the car yourself!

[Rot 911]

Originally posted by widebody911
Personally, I'd rather take the $XX/hr * XX hours and plow it into some other part of the car. For the DIY type of Porsche owner, it makes much more economic sense to dismember the car yourself, do as much prep work as you can, and then hand it over to the body guy for the final bodywork and paint. And for the ultimate DIY, paint the car yourself!

Well said!

Oh and Stephan, that yellow ain't just "fly" it's "Superfly!"