3D scanning campaign look!!!!

[nismo silvia]

I have a campaign up right now to get donations to buy a 3d scanner I am going to scan in bare chassis and compile a database of free downloadable CAD files. People can then go and download the chassis that they have and open it as a solid model to design parts off of. It is a big number but if everyone gives what they can then there will be a database that could cut down fabrication time and guessing how far the trans tunnel hole is what is the location of the subframe studs, etc

3D Chassis Scan Project on QiKfunder!

[scootermcrad]

Interesting.

(expanding on my original reply)

Why not finance the 3D scanner and charge $5-$10 for the parts instead? That will open you up to a world-wide market and you'll probably make your money back reasonably fast, you own it outright, built some credit with a major manufacturer, could do it under your own LLC or corporation, and you wouldn't have to answer to anyone but yourself.

3D Scanners are an incredible useful tool. As an engineer in the Aero Group of a major motor sports team, I have some experience with the use of this tool and its abilities. It's powerful, but will also consume your life if you choose to go down this road and do it on a professional level.

We spent $250K plus software and this didn't include a tool to translate the files to something other than an STL. Our full car scans, which would be comparable to the size and detail of your proposed models, are MASSIVE and take hours and hours (translating to days and days) of surfacing work for a professional and usable file format. There's more to it than just "scan it and CAD it".

I admire your drive as a student to reach out and try to push this mission, but you're going to have to sell yourself a little better than your proposal. Tell people what they stand to gain if they donate, including what kind of assurance they have that you'll hold up your end of the bargain. You are essentially asking "X" amount of people to invest in you and essentially become your business partner with no business outline of actual cost breakdown, amount of time it will take to scan (which I can tell you how much you will spend), what you will need to cover your overhead, and again... what do people really get from the investment besides the right to "free CAD" that could end at any moment.

So...
How much have your quotes been for equipment?
How much is the software?
Will you be scanning cars/chassis on a setup plate with a fixed datum coordinate system?
Will part of the investment from the masses include materials required for doing the work (space rental, aerosol fogger for shiny parts, sticky dots for locating recognition, utility costs, etc.)?
Will you have assistance in creating the scans that will require you to pay somone?
How long will it take you to scan a Porsche 911 tub (since this is being posted in the Porsche section of the forum)?

All of the above will lead to an overhead cost, of sorts. It will be a large number. If I were to invest, I would want to know these things. I would also want a guarantee that the chassis/car scan that I'm designing parts from is 100% correct, as it will cost me a lot of money if I design a part from your scans that turns out not to fit.

Please consider the above and expand on your mission. Take no offense. I applaud your efforts and to you, someone that is looking to be successful in this area, be open to constructive criticism during this mission. You're asking a lot of the general public. You're asking us to trust you. Sell us your idea AND make us trust you.

[nismo silvia]

The scanner I will be getting is accurate up to 40 microns and is a hand held scanner the data would be imported into solidworks as a solid model also with this scanner there is no stitching together.

Originally Posted by scootermcrad

Interesting.

Why not finance the 3D scanner and charge $5-$10 for the parts instead? That will open you up to a world-wide market and you'll probably make your money back reasonably fast.

We use a GOM 3D scanner and it's very valuable. Lot of post processing to the files to make them usable for SolidWorks, though.

[scootermcrad]

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

The scanner I will be getting is accurate up to 40 microns and is a hand held scanner the data would be imported into solidworks as a solid model also with this scanner there is no stitching together.

I should have waited to post until I had time for the full reply. Please forgive my late response edit.

I would argue that a hand-held scanner will not give you the results you are looking for, or should I say WE are looking for.

Can you provide a sample of a 911 component that, you propose, in a usable coordinate system?

[patina]

There are plenty of people out there that offer these services, but everything comes with a price.

[nismo silvia]

The scanner I will get is 70K and the software is the other 30k. these scans are going to be highly accurate and also will be checked for accuracy. My project does have funding brackets of what a person that donates will receive for their donation. The scanner also is a high end scanner and I have seen them used and the accuracy that they put out, the file would be a cad file and yes I probably would have a day or so for each chassis scan as long as they are a bare shell if a car will have to be stripped this process will take longer but as I said in my campaign that I would want the objects pre stripped. The finial product that I want to provide would be +/- 40 microns which is probably better than what the manufacturer had when building the 89 911 lol.

[scootermcrad]

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

The scanner I will get is 70K and the software is the other 30k. these scans are going to be highly accurate and also will be checked for accuracy. My project does have funding brackets of what a person that donates will receive for their donation. The scanner also is a high end scanner and I have seen them used and the accuracy that they put out, the file would be a cad file and yes I probably would have a day or so for each chassis scan as long as they are a bare shell if a car will have to be stripped this process will take longer but as I said in my campaign that I would want the objects pre stripped. The finial product that I want to provide would be +/- 40 microns which is probably better than what the manufacturer had when building the 89 911 lol.

How do you plan to check for accuracy? Will you be using a Romer arm to QC your product? How do you plan to provide a coordinate system? Have you ever surfaced a complete scan of the level of detail you are talking about? You say $5-10 will be all you need from each person. Can I get a full chassis/car scan that is QC'd and placed in a coordinate system for $10? If so, I would invest because that would be a low-risk investment based on current market value for a scan of the caliber you are advertising. However, that seems unrealistic since the other services that do this same thing charge $1000's of dollars.

As an investor, I would want to know what I'm getting. It still isn't clear. You need to consider the audience you are pitching this to (which is really poorly placed on this forum and comes across as off-topic, self-promoting spam). Still seems you have details to work out. Just providing a CAD file in some random position in space, not QC'd with accurate equipment, and pitching technical buzz words and "cloudy claims" will not help you reach your goal. As a person that is not only involved with this on a daily basis, but also finds the type of product that you're trying to sell (or provide?) useful, I am the audience you should be pitching this to. I'm not sold. No real business plan is present and telling your audience that they will get as much as they give is unrealistic when you're not backing it up with any real proof that you won't take the money and run.

On a regular basis I receive emails from people requesting money in other foreign countries (usually Nigeria, for some reason) and there is as much proof of a business plan and return on investment as what you've proposed.

Put yourself in our shoes and take a hard look at what you are offering. Not trying to "flame you", but you did post this on several forums fishing for people to invest with very little to contribute to the forum itself.

Good luck with your efforts. Hopefully we can talk about Porsche 911's now.

[nismo silvia]

I have rewards of what an investor will recive if they donate a specified amount anything above $1500 will include a on-site 3D scan of their bare chassis which is a fraction of the cost to have a full chassis scanned. The scanner I am getting can also be used for QC after the initial scan has been completed to verify that the dimensions are accurate. As for the scanner it will scan into other files than an stl. which is why I want to get it I know of another company that uses one and they scan in parts that they prototype then use that CAD file to reproduce the prototype as well as do simulation testing in SW. When I get the scanner there will be a two week training on how to use the tool provided by the manufacture and I plan on taking full advantage of this option. Also as for a business plan as of now I do not think I could justify having one until I complete my obligation to donating parties since scanning in chassis will consume a large percentage of my time. I do apreciate the feedback and it is a lot to think about but in the end this will help a large number of comunities.

Originally Posted by scootermcrad

How do you plan to check for accuracy? Will you be using a Romer arm to QC your product? How do you plan to provide a coordinate system? Have you ever surfaced a complete scan of the level of detail you are talking about? You say $5-10 will be all you need from each person. Can I get a full chassis/car scan that is QC'd and placed in a coordinate system for $10? If so, I would invest because that would be a low-risk investment based on current market value for a scan of the caliber you are advertising. However, that seems unrealistic since the other services that do this same thing charge $1000's of dollars.

As an investor, I would want to know what I'm getting. It still isn't clear. You need to consider the audience you are pitching this to (which is really poorly placed on this forum and comes across as off-topic, self-promoting spam). Still seems you have details to work out. Just providing a CAD file in some random position in space, not QC'd with accurate equipment, and pitching technical buzz words and "cloudy claims" will not help you reach your goal. As a person that is not only involved with this on a daily basis, but also finds the type of product that you're trying to sell (or provide?) useful, I am the audience you should be pitching this to. I'm not sold. No real business plan is present and telling your audience that they will get as much as they give is unrealistic when you're not backing it up with any real proof that you won't take the money and run.

On a regular basis I receive emails from people requesting money in other foreign countries (usually Nigeria, for some reason) and there is as much proof of a business plan and return on investment as what you've proposed.

Put yourself in our shoes and take a hard look at what you are offering. Not trying to "flame you", but you did post this on several forums fishing for people to invest with very little to contribute to the forum itself.

Good luck with your efforts. Hopefully we can talk about Porsche 911's now.

[nismo silvia]

Also I have a how to on here on the DME of the 89 911 so I'm not just on here to fish lol

Originally Posted by scootermcrad

How do you plan to check for accuracy? Will you be using a Romer arm to QC your product? How do you plan to provide a coordinate system? Have you ever surfaced a complete scan of the level of detail you are talking about? You say $5-10 will be all you need from each person. Can I get a full chassis/car scan that is QC'd and placed in a coordinate system for $10? If so, I would invest because that would be a low-risk investment based on current market value for a scan of the caliber you are advertising. However, that seems unrealistic since the other services that do this same thing charge $1000's of dollars.

As an investor, I would want to know what I'm getting. It still isn't clear. You need to consider the audience you are pitching this to (which is really poorly placed on this forum and comes across as off-topic, self-promoting spam). Still seems you have details to work out. Just providing a CAD file in some random position in space, not QC'd with accurate equipment, and pitching technical buzz words and "cloudy claims" will not help you reach your goal. As a person that is not only involved with this on a daily basis, but also finds the type of product that you're trying to sell (or provide?) useful, I am the audience you should be pitching this to. I'm not sold. No real business plan is present and telling your audience that they will get as much as they give is unrealistic when you're not backing it up with any real proof that you won't take the money and run.

On a regular basis I receive emails from people requesting money in other foreign countries (usually Nigeria, for some reason) and there is as much proof of a business plan and return on investment as what you've proposed.

Put yourself in our shoes and take a hard look at what you are offering. Not trying to "flame you", but you did post this on several forums fishing for people to invest with very little to contribute to the forum itself.

Good luck with your efforts. Hopefully we can talk about Porsche 911's now.

[TheSt|G]

I would also suggest taking a few writing courses if you want people to take you seriously. Do you see how much clearer scootermcrad's posts are than your own?

[nineball]

i personally find it hard to donate anything to someone who has been here just over a year, posted 4 times and is now seeking donations totaling $100,000.

[nismo silvia]

How so?

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I would also suggest taking a few writing courses if you want people to take you seriously. Do you see how much clearer scootermcrad's posts are than your own?

[nismo silvia]

Do you donate to anything at the grocery store same deal, and its not quantity its quality of the info in my posts I am sure there are a few people that didn't have to send in their ecu to get fixed or buy a new DME.

Originally Posted by nineball

i personally find it hard to donate anything to someone who has been here just over a year, posted 4 times and is now seeking donations totaling $100,000.

[nineball]

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

Do you donate to anything at the grocery store same deal, and its not quantity its quality of the info in my posts I am sure there are a few people that didn't have to send in their ecu to get fixed or buy a new DME.

donations made to charity are just that - charity. they are tax deductible, regulated by the government in one form or another, easily vetted and they actually help those in need.

you are asking people in a tight-knit community, and you are a stranger to those people with no history and actually talked down to them in 50% of your posts (aside from this begging thread), to send you donations totaling $100,000 so you can buy an expensive toy you want but can't afford. there is no comparison between the two of them.

quality of your posts? dream on. here is half of your total posts (aside from this thread where you are asking others to fund your toy wants).

Still no Real Boost Until 4K - Did I Buy The Wrong Turbo?

after reading this thread again i would be amazed if you got more than $1 from any pelican member.

[wrxnofx]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I would also suggest taking a few writing courses if you want people to take you seriously. Do you see how much clearer scootermcrad's posts are than your own?

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

How so?

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

Do you donate to anything at the grocery store same deal, and its not quantity its quality of the info in my posts I am sure there are a few people that didn't have to send in their ecu to get fixed or buy a new DME.

You don't see an issue with this "sentence"? There are actually 3 separate sentences in there, plus some additional missing punctuation. I believe that is what St|G is referring to.

[nismo silvia]

By no means am I begging for one and second I like how you post up that which other than me saying BS as a joke since the thread was too long I did state useful information. Here is my other post DIY 911 1989 Cranks but does not start the dreded DME look here fix it yourself cheap but it seems like you are just trying to be negative on the subject so you post the bad which really isn't all that bad.

Now for the donation all of the taxable ones you donate to at the store for every $1 you really donate the charity maybe gets fifty cents if they are lucky charity has become a business plain and simple.

If I don't get the donations that I need, I will still end up buying the 3D scanner. I also know there is a large number of people that would like full scans not just me. If you don't want to donate then don't as simple as that.

Originally Posted by nineball

donations made to charity are just that - charity. they are tax deductible, regulated by the government in one form or another, easily vetted and they actually help those in need.

you are asking people in a tight-knit community, and you are a stranger to those people with no history and actually talked down to them in 50% of your posts (aside from this begging thread), to send you donations totaling $100,000 so you can buy an expensive toy you want but can't afford. there is no comparison between the two of them.

quality of your posts? dream on. here is half of your total posts (aside from this thread where you are asking others to fund your toy wants).

Still no Real Boost Until 4K - Did I Buy The Wrong Turbo?

after reading this thread again i would be amazed if you got more than $1 from any pelican member.

[nismo silvia]

We are on a forum

Originally Posted by wrxnofx

You don't see an issue with this "sentence"? There are actually 3 separate sentences in there, plus some additional missing punctuation. I believe that is what St|G is referring to.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by wrxnofx

You don't see an issue with this "sentence"? There are actually 3 separate sentences in there, plus some additional missing punctuation. I believe that is what St|G is referring to.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

We are on a forum

And you are seeking investors. Why would it ever be to your advantage to appear unprofessional in such a situation?

Let's put it another way. I frequently go over resumes at work of potential applicants. Those with grammatical errors get filed directly in the trash can. It demonstrates laziness and a lack care in their work, neither of which are qualities I look for in an applicant.

[nismo silvia]

Hey your in MN lol I just moved up here for work a few months ago

Originally Posted by wrxnofx

You don't see an issue with this "sentence"? There are actually 3 separate sentences in there, plus some additional missing punctuation. I believe that is what St|G is referring to.

[nineball]

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

By no means am I begging for one and second I like how you post up that which other than me saying BS as a joke since the thread was too long I did state useful information. Here is my other post DIY 911 1989 Cranks but does not start the dreded DME look here fix it yourself cheap but it seems like you are just trying to be negative on the subject so you post the bad which really isn't all that bad.

Now for the donation all of the taxable ones you donate to at the store for every $1 you really donate the charity maybe gets fifty cents if they are lucky charity has become a business plain and simple.

If I don't get the donations that I need, I will still end up buying the 3D scanner. I also know there is a large number of people that would like full scans not just me. If you don't want to donate then don't as simple as that.

so 50% of your posts are putting down members of the board, and the other 50% were so amazing that no one, out of the thousands and thousands of members on here, felt the need to comment on. got it.

even using your off the hip assumptions it's still $.50 going to those who need help vs 100% going to someone who wants a new toy but doesn't want to spend their own money. it took someone calling you out on here for you to post anything about buying it yourself, because up to that point all you had done was ask for other people's hard earned money.

so why bother to openly beg strangers for money if you can afford it? go buy it, make the parts and sell them for a profit. that's how a business works. what you have proposed is not a business.

Originally Posted by nismo silvia

We are on a forum

it's a place where you came begging for money but could not even take the time to present your solicitation for other people's money in a fashion that would not make you look like an uneducated person. i have no idea what your education may be, however the way your idea is presented is detrimental to your solicitation.

this excerpt was taken directly from your linked site. you may want to hire a proofreader to help you with your grammar.
Funding:
What will the funding raised be used for? Well the funding is to buy a 3D scanner which will make it possible to scan a chassis, this scan will make a cloud of dots or locations that then can be turned into a solid 3D model that then can be modified or used to create prototype parts. These scanners are not cheap and do cost a lot of money but with your donation and the experience that I have in Solidworks there can be an open source database of unmodified chassis at first it will be an email and I can forward the file to you but once a website is set up there will be a constant addition of free 3D modeled chassis for download.
The Beginning:
Once the 3D scanner arrives and is set up a list of the chassis that will get scanned in the first run, this list can change if a party donates a large amount, there will also need to be cars to scan I have a few that are desirable but it would be more effective if a donating party can offer their stripped chassis to be scanned. Also if there are any models that you would like to be scanned the list is short but over time will fill in.
Chassis: Datsun 240Z, Nissan 240sx S13/S14/S15, BMW E30 RWD/AWD, Impreza 22B, Porsche 911 Targa/ slicktop, Nissan GTR, ZO6 Corvette, Volvo S60 AWD