Introducing "Oslo" my 73 RS backdated 1986 Carrera
 

It was a great day here in Central Wyoming to wash the car and then go for a spirited drive down my favorite local prairie throughway, Hat Six Road. This car is a new addition to my garage as of last September. It started life as a 1986 Carrera, black over tan. About three years ago the prior owner decided it was time to go ahead with his backdating project and then as they say "let the games begin". The color chosen for the backdate is Oslo Blue, a 356B color from 1962/1963. Digital cameras don't seem to pick up the correct hue, as with any 911, it's better in person!

You can follow his build process on this link on Pelican, http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/461573-carrera-backdate.html
I purchased the car from "porschenut" last September, actually it was the evening of 9/11/2012.

In October I took it down to Mayo Performance in Euless. Tom Petrushka at Mayo's put in a new engine from one of his client's 87 Carrera that had recently been in an unfortunate high speed encounter with a donkey, the 911 was totaled but the donor engine is fantastic and it only had 22000 miles since being rebuilt. As I plan to use the car for many road trips the wrecked 911 also donated a brand new air conditioning system and we installed all new components for the heating system.

It's not an authentic long hood, but for a much lower investment in $$ I have a wonderful road car that impresses me every time I take it out on the road.

It's West Coast debut will be at Targa California this April.

Bruce Ladd

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Love the color. Where did you relocate the A/C controls to?

ps. I think the link you posted is missing something.

Corrected link
 

Corrected link:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/461573-carrera-backdate.html

AC controls are under the dash in line and just behind the back of the ash tray, easy to reach but not really visible.

Nice!!

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Tried to buy that car, but you beat me to it!

Gorgeous 911 - enjoy in goo health & please contact me first if you ever decide to sell....

Very nice! Have one just like it but in silver!

That's a gorgeous 911.

She looks great Bruce! I'm hoping to see it in Denver at the car show in June. I miss the ol' girl.

No kiddin! I'll be there. I've to see that in person.

AbSolutely stunning. The color is gorgeous and the execution is superb. I would have bought it in a heart beat. Well done!

great looking car - your custom plate works well for county 1

are those pics from the Shirley Basin?

Beautiful.

Amazing and beautiful car. Perfect color. Perfect with the Carrera script. Awesome ducktail!

Me likey

that's a really nice backdate and great color ! Really good choices on the seats and interior. I would prefer yours to the Singer frankly, which I think is over-done.

So what's it like driving a P-car in Wyoming ? Lots of straight & level ? How hot does it get in the summer ?

best,

Great mix of the "old" and "not-so-old" styling. Very well done. Enjoy!

Link to build
 

Here it is, should be correct this time ...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/461573-carrera-backdate-10.html

:eek: another early 911 to drool over..dang. :D

East end of Casper Mountain
 

Not the Shirley Basin, but close (by Wyoming standards of comparison), the "Oslo" pictures were taken on Hat Six Road on the East end of Casper Mountain, Shirley Basin would be about sixty miles due south.

However, here are some photos of my other 911, an Albert Blue 70 911E alongside Highway 487 in the Shirley Basin on the way to Steamboat Springs.

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Pcar driving in Wyoming
 

Well we have a great variety of roads. Lots of straight and level with tremendous crosswinds. But then again the mountain roads in the North Central and North West portions of the state are wonderful 911 style roads. Weather is not too warm in the summers, stretches of mid nineties but predominantly mid to lower eighties.

One thing, not very many 911s in the state, I started a new region for the Early 911 S Registry in Wyoming ...

Wyoming and Montana - new region forming

We are small in numbers and large in square miles. According to the S Registry database there are +/- four members in Teton County, WY living in either Wilson or Jackson. I live in Casper, WY. And there is an S Registry member residing in Cheyenne, WY. Also, two members in Bozeman, MT and one member in Billings, MT. So that adds up to potentially nine members for our region. So we will see how the we can organize some drives and meetings, probably sometime next spring as far as getting the 911s on the road.

And then I got this response from Dirk Janek in Australia,

Wow. That's one member per 53,185 square miles. Even less than my region (Australia) at one member per 51,170 square miles.

Now of course if we had a region for my home state of South Australia (where we perhaps have 5 registry members) that's one member per 80,581 square miles

Dirk Janek
1970 911T 3.0/915

Thanks Jack
 

Based on your car as a comparison that's a great compliment.

Added a new 18' by 26' bay to my garage last summer, it's just a blank slate now but someday it will compare to the Jack Olsen garage --- maybe !!

Another picture of the 911E
 

At the 991 Launch party. February, 2012. Back in the original showroom from when the car was sold new at Bob Hagestad Porsche Audi, Lakewood, CO.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358665442.jpg
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A gorgeous pair of cars!

Very nice pair! Congrats.

Breathtaking country and car.......... looks as if you might be able to open her up safely out there? How does she handle at speed with that spoiler combination? Scott

Albert blue with houndstooth seat inserts. Doesn't get much better than that in my book. Love the Oslo blue as well. Congratulations for the new addition to the stable.

There are quite a few from what I've seen at the European car show at college of the rockies in Billings each August. The corners of the internet might be why you don't see many registered. They're out there but they haven't found you maybe?

-Andrew

What a pair of beauties, very nice Bruce!
Must be a tough choice deciding which one to take out...
Then again, hard to go wrong either way!
I do love those houndstooth seats, sweet rides!

I used to live in Casper & Laramie and have driven on the Hat Six Road - the road surface in your pics looks like it has gotten almost like that of the old hwy west of 487.

Enjoy the wide open spaces in your 911! (I drove an RX-7 turbo and a Honda Prelude for sports cars when I was there).

Hat Six Road
 

RWebb,

Hat Six Road is a good one, I can leave the Pcar barn and drive to the end and back for a nice 26 mile run. Only have to go through one traffic light on the way.

The Wyoming Legislature is just considering a bill to raise gasoline taxes by 10 cents so we can improve some of these old roads. Hat Six may not be too high on the priority list.

Bruce

The Original 86 Carrera in black
 

Here's the car as it was back in 2004, good foundation to start from.
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Tom does great work with Mayo.
He worked on two of my 911's when I used to live in the area.

The "only" change...(I mean only, as everything else on your car is perfect) would be to change to a different style of steering wheel.

Everything else on your car is incredible.

what does "backdating" mean???

Taking a short hood 74 and later 911, and making it look like a long hood 73 and earlier car by grafting on the earlier hood latch panel, turn signal housings and bolting up an earlier longer hood.

In the garage
 

Under fluorescent lights the true paint color comes through better in this photo.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1358881825.jpg

New 911R wheel on order
 

Suggestion taken to heart, new wheel on order as of this morning from classicowheels.com, 911 R.

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That way you end up with a 911 that does not have the rust issue that the pre-1976 model's do. After 1976 all the chassis and body parts are zinc coated and resist rust a lot better so this is a big plus. Also there are a lot more later model 911's around than a pristine early "long hood" so if you own a later 1970's or 1980's version and want to make it look like an early model, you can "backdate" it.

All the early parts fit so its not like you are cobbling something up. My 1985 has a 1972 nose section grafted on the car and once they got finished with it you simply cannot tell its been done as they used the original spot welds.

Joe

1977 has rust "proof" steel in the roof too

Here is the whole history of the thing:

Body Galvanizing in Porsche 911

Thyssen steel = steel with Zinc layers on both sides; thickness of the Zinc layers varied from 10 um to 20 um, depending on exposure conditions (Frere, p. 201)

1970 – Galvanized steel (not Thyssen type) used in floor pan and wheel arches (Bob White in Pano V: 142); the “entire platform, including the floor, the longitudinal members, the wheel arches and the seat pans were galvanized.” (Boschen & Barth, p. 124)
1971 models – had galvanized steel in areas particularly exposed to rust (Frere, p. 201)
For MY 70-71, only the floor pan was galvanized, and only in the Reuter built cars. This information can be found in the factory workshop manual, where serial number ranges of cars with and without galvanized floors can be found. – Scott Clark
1972-1973 – Thyssen steel use began (Bob White in Pano V: 142)
1973 – Thyssen steel: rocker panels, inner rocker panels, floor pans, & some other parts (Chuck Stoddard in Pano V: 142)
1975 – Thyssen steel: entire body treated (Bob White & Chuck Stoddard {began in Feb. ’75 production for US cars; earlier for Euro cars – had trouble with paint} in Pano V: 142, 192)
1976 models – had Thyssen steel in entire body except roof (Frere, p. 201)
1977 models – on – had Thyssen steel in entire body (Frere, p. 201); an “important step forward was the use of zinc-coated sheet steel for the manufacture of the entire body structure (except for the coupe’s roof on early production cars). Coated on both sides, this made the structure virtually immune against the formation of rust….” (Boschen & Barth, p. 143)

The Zinc steel added 22 lbs. to the weight of the body structure (Frere, p. 202)

Pano = Panorama volume: page number
Frere = Frere, Paul. 1997. PORSCHE 911 STORY. 6th ed., Patrick Stephens Ltd. Newbury Park, CA.
Boschen & Barth = Boschen, Lothar and Jurgen Barth. 1978. THE PORSCHE BOOK: A DEFINITIVE ILLUSTRATED HISTORY. Argo Books.


Note: the Panorama and Frere comments can be harmonized since most cars for one model year are constructed in the previous chronological year

Also, didn't Porsche start using thicker gauge steel in the floor of 911's starting with 1974? Resulting in a more rigid structure.