ebay r us

[feelyx]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594477654

[motion]

I didn't know they had H4s way back then!

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-Richard
'84 Carrera Cabriolet
'74 911 Widebody 3.6 Project

[pwd72s]

RS's came with H1 lights. Hard for me to tell whether H1 or H4 by the pics...your eyes must be sharper than mine. Perth? Uh, that brings an old dating phrase to mind...
geographically undesirable.

[Jack Olsen]

The serial number seems legit, but would an RS have come without an oil cooler?

Nice looking car, in any case.

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Jack Olsen
My Rennlist page • My Pelican Gallery page • My Porsche Owners Gallery page

[Early_S_Man]

I don't think so, Jack, at least not according to spec book and service manual!

Yet another set of poor-quality pics, and another zero-feedback seller!

The wheels are CERTAINLY NOT ORIGINAL!!! They seem to be from a 1980 SC Weissach Special.

It appears to have a left-hand steering wheel in pic #1, but I can't tell for sure, thanks to the lousy pics!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler

RS #451 was originally delivered to Switzerland, Tangerine with sport seats and A/C, left rteractable antenna. I thought I spied the oil lines if not to an oil cooler then to a serpentine loop. Incidentally, I was under the impression that auxiliary cooling, if present, at least on the 73S was via a "loop" cooler. Which is another reason why I like the 72 is since it has the Behr unit

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Carlo
http://bigblue111c.tripod.com/dec2000/

[pwd72s]

You're right about the coolers, Carlo. I'm not sure about the RS, but on the S, '72 was radiator, standard equipment. In '73, the cooler became an option, and was loop style. Perhaps Porsche hired the Japanese bean counters earlier than we thought?

I'm far from an RS expert, but did they have a sunroof option? I thought the RS was more of a racer than a cruiser.

I saw "sunroof" listed under "options" there...

Paul you have a very cool car. I've seen a few pics, maybe I'll get to see it in person someday. I've been so busy with other stuff and haven't been able to attend any of the events on this coast.
Anyway, my first 73S had a loop cooler. However, I think the car did not come this way but was installed the same time as the A/C. Another 73S I had simply did not come with any auxiliary cooling. I've also seen a sepia brown S in the L.A. area without it. One story that I've been told is that aux cooling was installed in cars with A/C. I guess that makes sense. Pre 73S' as mentioned had the Behr. A worthwhile mod as my 72S runs cooler than any of my previous 73S'.

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Carlo
http://bigblue111c.tripod.com/dec2000/

sunroof was an option---installed more than likely on the touring cars. The RS that people are most acquainted with and are basis of many replicas came in the Sports package and also the Touring package. There's the least known homoglation RSH and the better known RSR.

Anyway, sunroof is a legit option in an RS.

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Carlo
http://bigblue111c.tripod.com/dec2000/

[GIBSON]

Carlo, I had a Sepia Brown 73S with Behr A/C and no front cooler from the factory so the coolers were not always supplied even with A/C. My current 73 is going to get a front cooler whenever I get the engine back together. Just got it down to the heads this weekend to discover that all of the rocker arm shafts were placed improperly, #1 intake was loose! No wonder I had lots of oil leaks.

Bruce Herrmann
73911S

[Jack Olsen]

As I understood it, 73s got the external cooler in certain sales regions, and also if they came with factory-equipped AC. Many AC equipped cars had the AC installed by the dealer, so the cooler would nor necessarily be there. The dealer AC had a one-piece lower dash and vent unit. The factory AC (oddly) had a seperate unit with the vents bolted underneath the lower dash.

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Jack Olsen
My Rennlist page • My Pelican Gallery page • My Porsche Owners Gallery page

[This message has been edited by JackOlsen (edited 08-19-2001).]

[GIBSON]

Mine was the factory Behr system, small single-piece unit under the dash, proper installation, no front cooler.
BTW, my experience with these early 70's cars and dealer installed A/C is that they
were butchered by the installers. Huge holes cut without care, sloppy hose routings etc. Anybody else notice this?

Bruce

Thanks for the additional info, Bruce and Jack. Also had a 73T/RS replica, factory air with vents like Jack had mentioned. It is really interesting to find all the nuances of what equipment was installed, etc. All I know is that I know nothing for sure!

Bruce it's great you are installing the Behr. Around 230 is probably the highest I've eyeballed my temp gage, certainly not much more (street driving) and it does get hot here in L.A. You probably know this already but there is also a mod you can do with the cooling air guide plates around the barrels that would help.

Well we're off to see Rush Hour 2! By the way, anyone bid on the RS yet?

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Carlo
http://bigblue111c.tripod.com/dec2000/

[Early_S_Man]

Hey, guys ...

From my conversations/communications with other 'S' Targa owners, NONE of the '73s ever got the front loop cooler which was 'supposed' to be standard on ALL 'S' models in '73, per the spec book and service manual, even if equipped with factory Behr A/C, which my car was! Maybe the accountants figured nobody would be driovng a Targa hard or fast ...

If that RS (BIG IF???) had factory A/C, it seems to have dissappeared somewhere along the line ... just another question about that 100% ORIGINAL CLAIM!
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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler

[This message has been edited by Early_S_Man (edited 08-20-2001).]

[andyjboy]

The '100% original' tyres look too low profile & I've not seen an RS with black rectangular twin mirrors before. Also did Fuchs centre caps ever come in black as early as 1973?

Andy Boyle(UK)
'69 911E

[MBlake]

Warren,
Please don't take this as gospel, as I cannot be sure whether mine is 'factory' or not, but my '73 S Targa has got a front mounted oil cooler.

The car is an ex-Cal model, and has what I believe to be the factory AC (two vent units mounted under the dash).

How could I tell if my cooler is a factory fit??



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Marcus

'73 S Targa

Thanks for the info Warren. I wonder how it is in Europe as far as which cars were or were not installed with an aux unit.

Marcus, one indication, that it is PROBABLY an as-delivered item (but like I said who really knows) is how the oil lines running the length of the car are fastened to the chassis.
Lines that have been added on are usually just fastened by a rubber clamp-like arrangement. 72 and later were fastened a certain way (I'll let someone else describe it) showing a picture would be better (I can if you want). Then again you could have had a PO that added the lines using the "correct" hardware! Earlier than 72 I believe the lines were in the rockers. !

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Carlo
http://bigblue111c.tripod.com/dec2000/

[Early_S_Man]

The '73 and later lines were fastened to the body with all-metal retainers shaped like a capital letter 'B' with the back of the 'B' being the body sheet metal ... #21 in the following diagram:

[Randy W]

Thanks for the info Bruce and Warren. I was also under the impression before that all 1973 US model 911S cars got the radiator cooler (like in all 72Ss) as a replacement for the loop when Behr/York A/C was installed at the factory. All 73 RSs had the loop cooler as far as I know. Why Porsche did not put a radiator cooler in as standard on these performance models has always puzzled me.

The ebay RS looks pretty non original to me. Along with all the other items already mentioned, gold script/wheels option was not available until 1974.

Randy Wells

[This message has been edited by Randy W (edited 08-20-2001).]