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safe 10-11-2013 12:02 AM

I don't think the marks will be a problem, it will probably seal up.

911SauCy 10-11-2013 07:14 AM

Ill send a pic after I smooth it out.

Then lmk your thoughts.

S

BoxsterGT 10-11-2013 02:19 PM

:)

The outer edge does not make the seal, it is in the center where you can see a "ring" around the surface in the photos on post #17. The ball or globe surface of the female hose fitting seals against this.

In severe cases, a soft copper insert like this.........

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381526192.jpg


can be used. Its soft enough to conform to the surface and will usually correct any issues.

Len

:)

911SauCy 10-12-2013 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterGT (Post 7700572)
:)

The outer edge does not make the seal, it is in the center where you can see a "ring" around the surface in the photos on post #17. The ball or globe surface of the female hose fitting seals against this.

In severe cases, a soft copper insert like this.........

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1381526192.jpg


can be used. Its soft enough to conform to the surface and will usually correct any issues.

Len

:)

Len,

I was dreaming about making something like this...wondering why they didnt exist...

Of course they do. How do I get my hands on them!?

Sauce

Thank God I saw this as Im literally finishing up a project on the Cayenne and was about to dig into the 911. I'll get these for extra security :) and them have at it.

911SauCy 10-17-2013 04:59 PM

If the sales gig doesn't work out, perhaps metal work? That looks nice and smooth:D
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1382054255.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1382054286.jpg


And I found out that fancy little copper gasket is called a Voi-Shan Seal. Now I just need to figure the angle on the flange and size and off to the races.

Until then, I drive...with a leak:cool:

BoxsterGT 10-17-2013 06:16 PM

:)

The angle is 60 deg, but its soft copper so any angle will conform once sandwiched in between. The size is what matters more. I think the one I bought was AN-16.

Have not found my info on it yet, but Google is our friend. Post it when you get it.

Len

:)

safe 10-18-2013 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterGT (Post 7710522)
:)

The angle is 60 deg, but its soft copper so any angle will conform once sandwiched in between. The size is what matters more. I think the one I bought was AN-16.

Have not found my info on it yet, but Google is our friend. Post it when you get it.

Len

:)

Can't be hard to make one.
Cut it out a ring from a flat piece of copper plate and anneal it. It should form it self to the right shape.

Uwon 10-31-2013 08:37 PM

SauCy,
I don't know whether you have solved your press fit/ sealing issue. BAT-Inc sells repair oil line seals. Here is the link
http://97.74.32.155/files/ahosend.pdf
Page 7
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers......

911SauCy 11-01-2013 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwon (Post 7733335)
SauCy,
I don't know whether you have solved your press fit/ sealing issue. BAT-Inc sells repair oil line seals. Here is the link
http://97.74.32.155/files/ahosend.pdf
Page 7
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers......

^^AWESOMENESS^^

Thank You

Ive been enjoying the car with the leak, too many nice end of season days to tear into it now. I'll do this and Carrera Cooler when I put it away for the winter.

Turns out Voi-shan, what Len had pictured above are very difficult to get ahold of as they've been discontinued or sued or some nonsense I found on the internet...probably all true ;)

KTL 11-01-2013 07:28 AM

I don't think those rings will work. Metric hose fittings are 30 degree "globeseal" spherical fittings vs. the AN fittings are 37 degree straight taper?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1383315986.jpg


The above image was taken from here http://97.74.32.155/files/tchart.pdf

Earl's makes those AN sealing rings too if you want to give them a try.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1383315902.jpg

Can get pretty much anything Earl's from Summit Racing or ANPlumbing.com. ANPlumbing is the original Earl's Store #1. That's how they answer the phone when you call....... :D

AN Washers | O-Rings Extras | ANplumbing.com

911SauCy 11-01-2013 07:35 AM

Thank you guys.

I'll do my Hw and make a purchase over the weekend.

Uwon 11-01-2013 10:33 AM

Quote:

/Earl's makes those AN sealing rings too if you want to give them a try.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1383315902.jpg

Can get pretty much anything Earl's from Summit Racing or ANPlumbing.com. ANPlumbing is the original Earl's Store #1. That's how they answer the phone when you call....... :D

AN Washers | O-Rings Extras | ANplumbing.com
KTL, that even better-no mods and no re-forming of the angle. Thanks for the find.

Uwon 11-16-2013 10:55 AM

I have a couple of left over dented hard cross-over oil lines which have the same 30 mm nut and flange seat (correct description??) as the hard lines attached to the T-stat. I also have had to use the dremmel cut off the fused nuts from the T-stat. So I am wondering if anybody has successfully replaced the nut by removing and re-installing the flange seat. If so, how was it done?

BoxsterGT 11-16-2013 11:46 PM

:)

The thermostat seat is a 60 deg angle and the AN seal ring must deform enough to make the repair. Or a 60 deg cutter could be used if one could be found.

Len

:)

safe 11-17-2013 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwon (Post 7758880)
I have a couple of left over dented hard cross-over oil lines which have the same 30 mm nut and flange seat (correct description??) as the hard lines attached to the T-stat. I also have had to use the dremmel cut off the fused nuts from the T-stat. So I am wondering if anybody has successfully replaced the nut by removing and re-installing the flange seat. If so, how was it done?

I have removed all fittings from hardlines, they are soldered and you need a lot of heat.
But you cant remove anything from the thermostat, it's one piece of aluminum.

safe 11-17-2013 01:57 AM

This is what my thermostat looked like.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1384681564.jpg


It didn't leak, but I wasn't confident that would hold again... So I got one of these thermostat saver and welded it on.
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Uwon 11-18-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by safe (Post 7759736)
I have removed all fittings from hardlines, they are soldered and you need a lot of heat.
But you cant remove anything from the thermostat, it's one piece of aluminum.

Safe, were you able to re-use the old flanges and if so what preparation and solder material did you use? Please assume that I do not know anything about soldering except simple home plumbing.

safe 11-18-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwon (Post 7761738)
Safe, were you able to re-use the old flanges and if so what preparation and solder material did you use? Please assume that I do not know anything about soldering except simple home plumbing.

Yes, I did. Cleaned them up with a Dremel to remove old solder and make them fit the new pipe.
I don't know what type of solder I used it was something I had at home, probably some generic brass solder. But it worked!
A lot of heat is needed, cherry red.

RSTarga 11-18-2013 12:41 PM

You'ld think that a machine shop with a valve seat grinder could resurface that.

911SauCy 05-14-2014 06:56 AM

Update :)
 
After a Loonngg cold winter of welcoming/caring for my now almost 5 month old son...

I've been able to manage some time to dive back in. Last night I pulled the hard oil lines from the car and easily unscrewed them from the t-stat on the bench.

Leak source?http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1400075516.jpg

I've carefully gone over the ends of the oil lines to ensure there was no damage or marring before I get everything cleaned up and put back together.

One strange thing I did notice was that inside the female ends of the t-stat housing, the beveled/angles piece was on an angle...almost like it was tightened crooked.

I'll provide pics to compare tonight.

Is it a good idea to add some anti-seize to the threads prior to re-installation?


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