Hargett Shifter Naked

[Mike Billings]

Thanks to Mark Hargett for a flawless product.

But, just can't go without tinkering with it.

It looks much better naked!



The angled mount requires the shifter to throw a little farther, but it seems OK with that.

Right now, it's bolted to the ashtray bracket. It will get some chrome-moly struts that tie it to the tunnel if it works out.

The base is 5" x 2.5" aluminum C channel.

[Mike Billings]

Set up here on a section of the C channel.

The red dust cover could be distracting. Black might be better.

The little tube at the bottom is for stabilization, because of the way it is mounted.

[Reiver]

Interesting but is that for looks alone? Can't imagine there is a weight saving going on with those hunks of alloy?

[Mike Billings]

Right. Six pounds of 6061.

But it's mounted far higher this way.

Has that Cup Car attitude.

[wildcat077]

I thought the whole idea of the Hargett shifter was to bring it closer to the driver ... the way it's mounted looks like you could slam your knuckles into the dash shifting into fifth gear ...

Just sayin ...

Cheers
Phil

[Mike Billings]

Yes, if the driver's elbows are at 90 degrees, it takes just a couple of inches to reach 5th gear.

If he is straight arm already, it doesn't work.

I guess the main thing is there is no distraction grabbing for the knob. Also you can see the gear lever position if that ever helps. The knob shows up on the camera, also.

[proffighter]

When you mount the shifter that angle like in the first pic, shifter axis not parallel to the tranny rod (more or less) you won't shift smooth but bending your joints...

Can't imagine if shifting is possible at all, there more you're out of parallelism, the more it will bind.

Did you really drove and could change gears?

[IslandHopper]

I'm confused...

[proffighter]

Originally Posted by IslandHopper

I'm confused...

About my post?

Another try: the hargett shifting rod is parallel to the tranny shifting ro, but higher. Therefor a "Z-connecting rod is needed, that's the reason for the two links. So if you move the shifter a certain amount, the tranny rod is pushed or pulled the same amount.

The more the shifter axxis is out of parallelism, the more you loose moving amount plus binding will increase. At a certain angle, there will too much binding so it won't move but bend the shifter rod (that between the links) or break a link at the end. Maybe shown application will shift, but with huge pressure on links and tranny rod bush (case)

Green is ideal, blue bader, red no go:

[Juggino]

Russrshh

[Justin@Athens]

Its very "Alfa" in location. I have never driven a manual with the shifter in that location, but it might feel good who knows. If you are short enough, I think this setup works ok. If you are much over 5'5 probably not. I am about this height and sometimes worry about sitting too close to the steering wheel. Shifter location has never been a concern of mine, however shift quality has been though. As long as the linkage is setup correctly I don't think it'll bind, but I don't know the specifics of the kit.

[proffighter]

The problem is not that little, as there is no bushing etc. at the tranny rod, it's running in a simple bore of the tranny alu cover, so any load away the axxis is bad

[Mike Billings]

I know what you are talking about proffighter.

There are some binding forces or perpendicular forces on any push linkage with a joint.

Also, if there was only the u-joint at the trans, not 2, I agree it would not move without bending the rod.

Maybe someone will get around to analyzing that one and comparing it to the other designs. Doesn't sound like that much fun right now.

Seems to shift nice in the garage.

Should have a in-car video in a couple weeks.

[HawgRyder]

I prefer the shifter to be even with the steering wheel in the neutral position.
Difficult to do in the Porsche...but with some effort it is possible.
Also...the throw should be very short...I like to end up with a wrist rocking motion.
In the kit car I built...I had the shifter about 4" long and positioned so that it was just a twist of the wrist to shift...it looked strange...but was very comfortable.
Bob

[IslandHopper]

Originally Posted by proffighter

About my post?

Another try: the hargett shifting rod is parallel to the tranny shifting ro, but higher. Therefor a "Z-connecting rod is needed, that's the reason for the two links. So if you move the shifter a certain amount, the tranny rod is pushed or pulled the same amount.

The more the shifter axxis is out of parallelism, the more you loose moving amount plus binding will increase. At a certain angle, there will too much binding so it won't move but bend the shifter rod (that between the links) or break a link at the end. Maybe shown application will shift, but with huge pressure on links and tranny rod bush (case)

Green is ideal, blue bader, red no go:

HA, no actually, not about YOUR post! It made perfect sense, even before the detailed diagram and description.... I should have been more clear, but I was talking about the original post...

[mamut]

The FabCar shifters they are all at high, out of parallel angles, the GT2 types also, and they all have one hell of a record, it might take a little more effort than usual, precision shifting is the key, just saying. Stefan.

[KTL]

Actually the Fabcar 915 shifters have a record of breaking. Nearly all need to be repaired in the exact same place

Fabcar Shifter - experiences wanted

[proffighter]

As I said before, the higher the bader. The Fabcar looks like the rod is maybe 5cm over the tunnel. Far not that high as Mike showed in his first pic... I also said that not the height is the problem but the two rods parallelism, NOT the angle of the Z. The Hargett shifter rod is much higher than the Fabcar, but it's absolutely parallel to the tranny rod, that's why it's still smooth. Futher it's a different construction, rod versus uniball

[Deadeye]

If you are heavy handed on your shifter you will want to have positive stops front and rear on the lever or you will put excessive pressure on the shift forks. This could bend shift forks or worse