911t #00026

[GDH'61]

Hello all. I've got 911T # 119 00 0026. Got it without engine and want to know what the correct engine type code would be for early '69 [late '68?] production.
Also curious if anyone knows of a earlier T in the country.
Thanks in advance.
Greg - GDH'61

[James Brown]

1969T coupe production numbers are 11900001-11900343, engine number 6195001-6197292 (901/16 us) 343 produced. engine numbers also include cars produced by Karmann (3561) from red book. third digit "9" means 1969

[djpateman]

I think that you will find the VIN range is 119100001 to 119100343; note the 1 after the 9.
I don't have an earlier one in my database in the USA, but know of a few in the UK & Australia.

[GDH'61]

Right you are djpateman. Here's a pic of the VIN plate. How significant is such a early [low] number?
Greg

[GDH'61]

[QUOTE=djpateman;7445959]
I don't have an earlier one in my database in the USA, but know of a few in the UK & Australia.

I've heard of other early T-E-S cars also being RHD [UK & Australia]. Why? Did they release the "wrong hand drive" cars first for a reason? Any way to find the first 911T in the US? So far as I know this car was sold new in Austin Texas before coming here to New Mexico.
Greg

[Daves911L]

Greg,
I've sent you a PM

[djpateman]

Several of the very early 1969 911 are very unusual, but past the first 10 of each model they just become normal production. Take off your knee pad and find the production # below the radio opening; let me know what it is. Paint code on the badge also. A long way to ship to Australia, so perhaps they got a head-start. Also, with the new long wheelbase, perhaps they were trying every variation. 1969 was a most interesting year. To find the engine, first get the COA, then you will know what to look for. I'd be very interested in what it says your interior code was.

[GDH'61]

@ djpateman -
I've been curious about the numbers under the knee pad too. But until now [you] I didn't know who could decode it. I might take it off tonight - I'll let you know when the #s see light.
Thanks,
Greg - GDH'61

[GDH'61]

P.S. -
My by-line [when I get to it] would be:
Keeper of '69 911T #119100026, '73 914 2.0 [x2] '76 914, '76 912E #9126001412, '83 944, '85 944, '86 944 Turbo.
Researching additional cars and parts
Addicted since 1968
Greg - GDH'61

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by James Brown

1969T coupe production numbers are 11900001-11900343, engine number 6195001-6197292 (901/16 us) 343 produced. engine numbers also include cars produced by Karmann (3561) from red book. third digit "9" means 1969

Originally Posted by djpateman

I think that you will find the VIN range is 119100001 to 119100343; note the 1 after the 9.
I don't have an earlier one in my database in the USA, but know of a few in the UK & Australia.

If its a coupe, the Redbook is wrong:

[djpateman]

Yes, the Redbook is obviously wrong on 911T both coupe & Targa. VIN format for 1969 was greatly simplified from the 1968 messy format that many publications screw up. Notice that the 1969 VIN's are the only year to use the 9 digit format (1968 was 8, and from 1970 through 1980 was 10, and from 1981 is the 17 digit format). Also note that 1969 was the first year to use the production # on the dash frame, and the last year to use the first 10 serials as regular production vehicles.

1vwxyzzzz

v=1=911
v=2=912

w=9=1969 model year

x=1=911T
x=2=911E
x=3=911S

y=0=coupe
y=1=Targa
y=2=Karmann coupe

zzzz=serial #

[GDH'61]

What a GREAT group! Not only has it been determined that the Red Book is wrong but get this... [drum roll please] I got a PM from Daves911L and it looks as if I've found the original engine right here in Albuquerque New Mexico! It was removed about 21 years ago and has been kicking around from Austin TX to Albuquerque ever since. I'll report back with engine numbers when I can.
And to djpateman - I didn't get to the knee pad yet but did get some PB Blaster on the fasteners last night. I'll see if it feels like revealing itself later today. I'll get you the numbers asap.
Thanks to all!
Greg - GDH'61

[Matt Monson]

That is so cool that you have a lead on the original engine.

[GDH'61]

Got the pad off - much easier than anticipated - juts two nuts and they came out bright and shiny like they were put in last week. Dash number reads 1090500. I don't know shirt from shinola about dash numbers but it seems to me that the "secret" number ending in 00 might be more significant than the 0026 VIN.
Combine that with the discovery of the original engine/trans and other pieces [from the guy who helped remove it 20+ years ago] and I'm getting a bit excited.
I've been searching for the previous owner since I got the car about a year and a half ago. I just KNEW he had the engine and such. Turns out he doesn't and all I needed to do was ask the Pelican forum brain trust.
Eagerly awaiting a decoding of this number by djpateman.

[djpateman]

1090500 translates as:
1=production body
0=coupe
9=1969
0500= 500th coupe body 1969 model year
So, you have the 26th 911T coupe that Porsche built, but using the 500th coupe body constructed in 1969.
The coupe body (109xxxx) was shared between the 911T, 911E, 911S, and the 912. You also had the 119xxxx series for the Targa, and the 129xxxx series for the Karmann coupe being built simultaneously. It is possible that #26 might have been the built almost 1000 into the 1969 model year.

[Daves911L]

Greg,
Curiosity got the better of me. So at great risk to life and limb, I wriggled my way back under the shelves and behind the boxes to where I could read the numbers.
The motor I have is:

Type:901/16
Serial #: *6195219*
Build#: 17509

Also looked at my gearboxes. The one I think probably came out of your car is:

Type: 901/07
Serial #: 7190981
casting date 38/68 (which is why I think it probably is the one from your car)

No way to know for certain these are original without the kardex, but they were removed from the car you now own around 1992.

Now, please tell us what the paint code on the door jamb says. I've always been curious about the color and I'll bet some of these guys on this forum will know what it is. As I told you, I always thought it was a faded old irish green car, until Stewart had it painted. The painter ordered the paint using the paint code on the car, and I was really surprised when I walked in and saw it freshly painted in metallic green.

DG

[GDH'61]

Thanks for info and for taking the risk Dave. I sure am looking forward to reuniting the car with its internal organs. I'll give you a call.
Sorry to disappoint on the paint code... but the tag is MIA - apparently removed for the repaint [color change?] that never happened. I am going to get the COA [kardex?] on the way but for now I'll solicit opinions from those in the know about color names and/or paint codes. The pic of the Vin plate makes it look more goldish than it really is in natural light. I'll try to get a pic that better represents the color and post it later today.
Thanks again,
Greg - GHD'61

[kkinzli]

This is a great story! David, I am looking forward to helping you pull the engine out when I come down to NM in a few weeks. Who knows what else we will find in there ;-)

[kkinzli]

Hi Greg,

This is a fantastic coincidence. Even though you have had the car for a year and a half I still want to congratulate you on joining the 69 owners club! 69 was a special year in a lot of ways. I also found my 69T in New Mexico up near the Colorado border and have spent the last several years restoring it. This would not have been possible without the help of Daves911L aka Obi Wan . I have posted the entire process on the thread below and hope that it will be of some use to you.

Saving the "Rat" - Restoring a 69T

Feel free to PM me or email me with any questions during your revival of 0026!

[kkinzli]

Here is a very useful thread about 69s

What makes a 1969 911 unique?