what are these seats

82SC · 09-05-2002, 11:14 AM

these don't look like the early sport seats I am used to...

but they are said to be from a 67 911s???

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Those look like early sport seats to me. However, I don't believe the 67 version had headrests. -- Curt

Early_S_Man · 09-05-2002, 03:34 PM

I don't believe those are factory sport seats at all! The proportions look wrong. They look like aftermarket Recaro's from the '70s or early '80s ...

campbellcj · 09-05-2002, 03:54 PM

They look "close" but a little odd to me too. They might possibly be factory sport seats that were recovered in a non-original way. (long shot).

What do the bases look like? Do the adjuster knobs say

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Jack Olsen · 09-05-2002, 04:16 PM

I'd guess that those are non-911-specific Recaros, too. They seem similar to the ones I initially had re-covered for my car:

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

I was thinking they were poorly reupholstered sport seats. But looking closer it almost looks like a knurled wheel adjuster for the seat back on the bottom left side of the right seat - that would be a sure tip off of a non-factory seat. -- Curt

Fishcop · Fishcop's Garage

I see what you see Curt. Not 911 original.

Early_S_Man · 05:08 PM

What is most 'odd-looking' to me is the shape of the backs, though I don't have any pictures to back it up. I believe the factory sport seat backs were more rectangular-shaped, and not 'styled' to the standards of the '70s like the aftermarket Recaro's were. Those 'styled,' body-hugging seats look fine in a bumper car, but decidedly out-of-place in a period-correct early car. Out of a '67 911S ... NEVER!!! Yeah, right ... along with a Blaupunkt Berlin, too, I suppose???

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Warren's absolutely correct. I just went out and looked at mine and the 'insert' on the seat back of the real sport seats is narrower in width at the bottom than the top. The seats shown here are the opposite. The side bolsters are nearly vertical on real factory seats as opposed to tapered in toward the top on these. -- Curt

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Here's the real deal:

pwd72s · 09-05-2002, 05:29 PM

HOOT! LOL Here! Chillen, early 911S seats, '67 vintage, never had headrests...let alone those ugly high backs. Gimme a break, here. NOT knocking Curt's post...those ARE early 911 sports seats. But in '67? Headrests were yet to arrive...

Soterik · Soterik's Garage

These definitely aren't factory sport seats...Have owned many sets of them from 1967, to 1973....

However, the bottom brackets (there's more pics of these seats on Ebay), appear to be the 67/68 tip brackets for the factory 67 and 68 sport seats. There isn't quite a good enough pic for me to say for certain. But it appears to be tip brackets only...not the sliders (at least from what I can see....).

From the seats I have previously seen, they are probably early 70's Recaro's.

regards,
Eric

Roland Kunz · 09-07-2002, 08:39 AM

Hello

More pics and more details.

The seat portion seems correct but not the backportion.
However the 67-69 sportseats are very different.
From the rails i would say those are 74-85 versions.

Porsche also installed Recaro LX or Orthopead in the 70´s and 80´s.

But most costumers had a personal sportseats moving trough the cars.

Recaro, Schäfer, König, Scheelmann where they main sportseat manufactoerers in germany. All off them could upholster the seats in Porsche fabric.

Recaro seats could be delivered to the factory and installed in the new car.
The others where mostly installed at the Werksreparatur or at the dealers.

The original delivered seats where then mostly stored by the dealers or owners.

Grüsse

Joeaksa · 09-07-2002, 08:54 AM

82SC,

Look on the top of the black aduster knobs. I have seen sets of seats that had markings on the top of the knobs that said "BMW" and such. May be marked like this.

JA

Randy W · Randy W's Garage

Would have to go along with Eric - most likely not Porsche early 911 sport seats. The bottom cushion is similar but the back cushion is wrong, as well as the round adjusters are incorrect. Probably, aftermarket Recaros. The rails look like early Recaros, and the headrests are early 911 (72-73) variety. As a side note, according to the "experts", some '67 sport seats had the holes for headrests (verified on original seats), so it is possible some '67 had headrests, though certainly most did not.

Mifintifin · 09-07-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by pwd72s
HOOT! LOL Here! Chillen, early 911S seats, '67 vintage, never had headrests...let alone those ugly high backs. Gimme a break, here. NOT knocking Curt's post...those ARE early 911 sports seats. But in '67? Headrests were yet to arrive...

According to both PET and Red Book, headrests option began in 1965. All three flavors were offered, fabric, leatherette, and leather.

Mifintifin

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bob tilton · bob tilton's Garage

they look like the seats common to the BMW 2002s and 320s. they are becoming an inexpensive alternative to the recaro sports as they can be commonly purchased on ebay in excellent shape for $400/pr.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1856602283

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1854205015

Joeaksa · 09-07-2002, 06:59 PM

Agree with Bob. I purchased a BMW recaro on Ebay for a very good price recently and it will be in my car soon, so this may be what 82SC has.

Joe

Randy W · Randy W's Garage

Mifintifin, the headrests used for '65-67 911s were the 356 variety (round and mounted to the back of the seat with flat metal supports), not the type pictured that mounted via holes in the top of the seat backs. The question is even more convoluted for sport seats in '67 - then you throw the '66 Recaro sport seat/race bucket into the mix and no definitive answer can be given.

Roland Kunz · 09-09-2002, 11:47 PM

Hello

OK its a bit complicatet.

All 911 came from the factory with Recaro seats.

The normal seats where very similar to the design from the 356 and used the "Schlummerrolle" as headrest.

In 1966 the 911S had standard seat but you also could order a sportseat. This sportseat was the nearly same bucket seat used in racecars. This bucket seats had the new Recaro headrest as there wasn´t any steelframe to mount the slumber rolls.

Those sportseats wheren´t usable for all drivers and so mid 67 the first S sportseats arrived. They had been used with various undertypes up to 1986.

In MY 68 also the normal seat generations got a redesign and since 68 all seats use the same headrest types ( However even the headrests had two different designs one type is shaped D the other 0 ).

In 1974 the seats got the integratet headrest design.

Grüsse