HID lights in H4 Housing with Pics

[garrett490]

Installed the DDM Tuning H4 hi/lo 55watt 6000k HID kit into my h4 housings. The kit costs about $75 shipped. For those that say you must use projectors with HIDs...your wrong. Multiple Mercedes, and infinity's have cars on the road with regular reflector type headlights. Now that being said. Due to the increase in light output it is prudent to adjust your headlights down some after installing an HID kit. I have installed them in 4 of my last vehicles now without any issues. The blinding lights you see from other cars are often not adjusted properly or installed in a pick up truck with leveling or lift kit which again makes for an unpleasant experience for on coming traffic. To install the kit you'll want to have the bumper removed or a hydraulic lift and even then you probably want the bumper removed. I slightly enlarged the drain holes that are behind each headlight with a uni bit in order to pass the new wires into the headlight area. Here are some pictures of the headlights at night. Oh yea make sure you got that relay kit from Pelican on your headlights. Previous owner did that to my car already so I just had to install the HID kit which is plug and play.

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Close up for color reference. 55watt 6000k makes a pure white with every so slight hint of blue.



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[wwest]

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HID bulb tilts between high beam / low beam position

[garrett490]

very nice. what car did those lights come from? and you just crimped onto the existing wires? Very clean.

[Canada Kev]

Using bright HID bulbs in an enclosure where neither the reflector or lens was designed or engineered for them? Fantastic...

[wwest]

Originally Posted by garrett490

very nice. what car did those lights come from? and you just crimped onto the existing wires? Very clean.

1988 Carrera special edition.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by garrett490

Installed the DDM Tuning H4 hi/lo 55watt 6000k HID kit into my h4 housings. For those that say you must use projectors with HIDs...your wrong. Multiple Mercedes, and infinity's have cars on the road with regular reflector type headlights. Now that being said. Due to the increase in light output it is prudent to adjust your headlights down some after installing an HID kit. I have installed them in 4 of my last vehicles now without any issues. The blinding lights you see from other cars are often not adjusted properly or installed in a pick up truck with leveling or lift kit which again makes for an unpleasant experience for on coming traffic. To install the kit you'll want to have the bumper removed or a hydraulic lift and even then you probably want the bumper removed. I slightly enlarged the drain holes that are behind each headlight with a uni bit in order to pass the new wires into the headlight area. Here are some pictures of the headlights at night. Oh yea make sure you got that relay kit from Pelican on your headlights. Previous owner did that to my car already so I just had to install the HID kit which is plug and play.

Lo


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US Lo beam light pattern should be BIASED to the right, ROW headlights?

If you left the factory hi/lo beam shading apertures inside the headlight you should have a much more definitive low beam "high" pattern cutoff than with the halogens. Less light "scatter" due to more coherent HID light source. HIDs consume less power/watt than halogens, no real need for a relay kit.

[GeorgeK]

There have been countless HID products presented for the 911, here and over on RL.

I am yet to see *ONE* of them being adjusted with a std aiming device, that will check for cutoff and raised right side of the beam. and them being rechecked after a few weeks' worth of use.

As long as this does not happen, I can only consider these as half-failed experiments and will stay with the std H4s, wired through relays.

Where I am, if the lights can not be adjusted with the std machine, they are not allowed (they need more than that to be allowed in fact but if they can not light the road as they should, why bother).

[wwest]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

There have been countless HID products presented for the 911, here and over on RL.

I am yet to see *ONE* of them being adjusted with a std aiming device, that will check for cutoff and raised right side of the beam. and them being rechecked after a few weeks' worth of use.

As long as this does not happen, I can only consider these as half-failed experiments and will stay with the std H4s, wired through relays.

Where I am, if the lights can not be adjusted with the std machine, they are not allowed (they need more than that to be allowed in fact but if they can not light the road as they should, why bother).

I don't understand, completely.

What is it about an HID conversion that would prevent the use of the nibs on the headlight glass from being used as alignment "guides", assuming you leave the factory shading apertures in place.

I have done a few of these and always checked before and after beam pattern coverage. Both halogen and HID display the open "V" pattern, most vertical arm on the left, relaxed arm on the right. It seems to me that with HIGH the light/no light separation lines are much more definitive with HIH.

Oh, and NEVER been flashed at except due to oversight.


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[GeorgeK]

Fine by me. I still have never seem anyone document the adjust procedure with the headlight adjust machine:



This is what the technical inspection uses, and if they can't, I am screwed.
I am not looking for a fight, since I'd like to have HIDs, but without proof positive they can be adjusted, I am not spending several hundreds.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Fine by me. I still have never seem anyone document the adjust procedure with the headlight adjust machine:

Is that because, maybe, there is no need for one other than the "standard" one?
This is what the technical inspection uses, and if they can't, I am screwed.

What has led you to the conclusion that "they" can't?

I am not looking for a fight, since I'd like to have HIDs, but without proof positive they can be adjusted, I am not spending several hundreds.

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[GeorgeK]

Okay, first your link is dead.

Second, You make no sense.

Talk (write) all you want, but I still have not seen anyone document the headlight adjust/ check with the machine.

It's a simple as that. One can use the best adjust procedure on the world, but if it can not be checked/proved good with a machine like the one pictured above, I can not run them.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Okay, first your link is dead.

Second, You make no sense.

Talk (write) all you want, but I still have not seen anyone document the headlight adjust/ check with the machine.

It's a simple as that. One can use the best adjust procedure on the world, but if it can not be checked/proved good with a machine like the one pictured above, I can not run them.

"you make no sense"

Yes, it's very difficult to prove a negative.

Why something DOESN'T exist......


Happens mostly because no one sees a need.

[wwest]

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[garrett490]

Some of you guys are a bit ridiculous...Drive ANY new ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, nissan, buick, cadillac, mazda, jeep, gmc, lincoln,.....with standard halogen headlights. They throw the light with no special cut off or pattern. Projectors and high end cars are the only cars on the road with actual E-Code type light beams. Jeeps throw the light towards the road with absolutely no regard for beam pattern or cut off. You see the pictures I posted. There is not a problem with the light pattern. You can say that the lens and housing is not designed for an HID which is correct. But I don't live by whats certified, verified, and engineered. I live by what works well and what doesn't. You see in the pictures that the HIDs are far superior to any halogen even the 80w/100w which I had previously and the beam pattern and spread is the same when sitting behind the wheel. Yes a machine might say different..but seriously? A machine to gauge your headlight beam....if its down on the road and focused then mission is accomplished. Buy a new porsche with projectors if you just can't live without a hard cut off. You'll never have a hard cut off without projectors.

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All that matters is, can you see better? If Yes, Job Well Done Brother!

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Over 1.5 years later, still going strong, zero issues.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by garrett490

Some of you guys are a bit ridiculous...Drive ANY new ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, nissan, buick, cadillac, mazda, jeep, gmc, lincoln,.....with standard halogen headlights.

They throw the light with no special cut off or pattern.

Sorry, that's just NOT the case.

Projectors and high end cars are the only cars on the road with actual E-Code type light beams. Jeeps throw the light towards the road with absolutely no regard for beam pattern or cut off. You see the pictures I posted. There is not a problem with the light pattern. You can say that the lens and housing is not designed for an HID which is correct. But I don't live by whats certified, verified, and engineered. I live by what works well and what doesn't. You see in the pictures that the HIDs are far superior to any halogen even the 80w/100w which I had previously and the beam pattern and spread is the same when sitting behind the wheel. Yes a machine might say different..but seriously? A machine to gauge your headlight beam....if its down on the road and focused then mission is accomplished. Buy a new porsche with projectors if you just can't live without a hard cut off. You'll never have a hard cut off without projectors.

ALL single headlight systems that use a dual filament bulb have some sort of upper level beam pattern cutoff when the low beam filament is powered.

[GeorgeK]

Originally Posted by garrett490

Some of you guys are a bit ridiculous...Drive ANY new ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, nissan, buick, cadillac, mazda, jeep, gmc, lincoln,.....with standard halogen headlights. They throw the light with no special cut off or pattern. Projectors and high end cars are the only cars on the road with actual E-Code type light beams. Jeeps throw the light towards the road with absolutely no regard for beam pattern or cut off. You see the pictures I posted. There is not a problem with the light pattern. You can say that the lens and housing is not designed for an HID which is correct. But I don't live by whats certified, verified, and engineered. I live by what works well and what doesn't. You see in the pictures that the HIDs are far superior to any halogen even the 80w/100w which I had previously and the beam pattern and spread is the same when sitting behind the wheel. Yes a machine might say different..but seriously? A machine to gauge your headlight beam....if its down on the road and focused then mission is accomplished. Buy a new porsche with projectors if you just can't live without a hard cut off. You'll never have a hard cut off without projectors.

Nothing ridiculous here (Switzerland).
Tech inspection every 3 years. Either you can test the headlights aim and pattern with a std aiming machine, or you get your registration papers voided, until you correct the issue and have the car re-tested.
And yes, I have been stopped on the road for "blinding headlights" (because of a heavily loaded trunk), and yes, some law enforcment have a hard-on for 911s and their owners.

So I think it is reasonable to ask a seller/provider to demonstrate the aiming possibility of their product, not to mention it makes sense to concentrate the light beam where it is useful and not useless, or even dangerous for other road users.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Nothing ridiculous here (Switzerland).
Tech inspection every 3 years. Either you can test the headlights aim and pattern with a std aiming machine, or you get your registration papers voided, until you correct the issue and have the car re-tested.
And yes, I have been stopped on the road for "blinding headlights"

(because of a heavily loaded trunk)

Which is why all factory HID systems have a auto-leveling feature.

, and yes, some law enforcment have a hard-on for 911s and their owners.

So I think it is reasonable to ask a seller/provider to demonstrate the aiming possibility of their product, not to mention it makes sense to concentrate the light beam where it is useful and not useless, or even dangerous for other road users.

You seem to be advocating, perhaps by default, aftermarket projector HID kits.

They do, in fact, do a better job of concentrating the light where you need it.

I replaced the factory bi-xenons in my 2001 C4 with an aftermarket projector set.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Fine by me. I still have never seem anyone document the adjust procedure with the headlight adjust machine:



This is what the technical inspection uses, and if they can't, I am screwed.
I am not looking for a fight, since I'd like to have HIDs, but without proof positive they can be adjusted, I am not spending several hundreds.

Oh, I see said the blind man when the goose kicked him.......

It isn't the headlight adjust machine at all.......

[GeorgeK]

Talking witth you is like wrestling with a pig in mud... Too bad you don't grasp my point (Not enough proteins as a child?)

I am still waiting for someone to check these HIDs' pattern with the headlight *controller* (not adjuster).

I'm done here.