Got the shaft on Ebay Webers? Fixable?

[clevy70911T]

I bought a pair of used Webers on ebay descibed in the link below as a "good pair". Four of the idle mixture screws are broken off inside and the other 2 are missing, 2 of the air adjusting screws are broken off inside. I know I can buy these parts from PMO and have hopefully have the screws drilled out and re-tapped, but my question is .....

The portion of the main carb body where the air adjusting screw is supposed to screw into has been knocked off and is missing. So much is missing that I can see the valve seat and the hole that re-enters below the throttle plate. Does anybody know if this can be fixed correctly by machining? It is distal to the linkage, so as a last reasort I could I plug it up and use it as my "base" and adjust the other venturies flow rates to it? Hopefully the throttle shafts are tight and not leaking and plugging it won't be a problem.





Ebay link removed at the seller request until this can be resolved. He has received many negative emails from Pelican Heads and this wasn't my intentions. I appreciate the motive as people were "sticking up"for me, but I understand the sellers point of view also.

[speeder]

Make sure to give this d-bag the feedback he deserves on e-bay. That is the only self-cleansing feature they have. Good luck.

[Early_S_Man]

FIRST, request his contact information, which will give you his phone number. Then, contact him by email THROUGH eBay, which gives them a copy of the email ... and politely list all of the deficiencies, and request all of your money back, including ALL shipping charges! If no response, PROCEED with ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:

File a claim with eBay on their 'buyer's insurance' of the 'Fraud Protection Program' and tell them that the carbs are not usable and were fraudulently represented as in working condition ... which they clearly AREN'T! Contact eBay and go through every step to report the fraud!

Legal System recourse:

1. If you paid by Postal Money Order, contact your Postmaster and file a complaint!

2. If within your state, contact ther state attorney general!

3. If outside your own state, contact the FBI!

4. Contact HIS local Sherrif's department and see if they would like to have a talk with him about interstate fraud complaint!

At some point, as all of the above settles in with a bit of weight ... you MAY get all of your money back!

If you paid through one of the credit card methods, contact your credit card company in writing, by snail mail, the way they always want it done, and report fraud, and an unusable product received. They will eventually credit your account, though it msy take 60 days or so. Be sure to save and print out copies of the eBay ad, before it disappears! And, save all correspondence with the jerk and all parties reported to in the whole process.

[Joeaksa]

Totally agree with Warren. Ebay has insurance for this type of thing and use it! You pay a commission to them and when things do not go "as advertised" then get back to them and the seller.

This seller advertised them as a "very good set" and "possibly needing a overhaul" but not missing parts, parts broken off and such, so give him both what he deserves...both barrels!

JA

[J Richard]

I think you should quote the bottom of the ad that states "weber carbs COMPLETE" and get your money back. If the carb bodies are busted then they are doorstops. In addition the condition you outline is not "good" but poor. It is difficult enough to get a pair of webers into tune with good clean rebuilt carbs, these could take you a long time and considerable cash to get running. If you can.

As far as I can remember a 70 911T didn't come with webers, they came with solexes. So there is no telling what size, emulsion tubes jets etc are in these things without chasing down each number with a weber parts list.

Do you have a 70 T? (as your moniker suggests) you may want to compare to what you have on your car now.

Anyway I don't want to be too discouraging but after you sink cash into a deal like that, trying to cluge it together and get it to work could be a great deal more frustrating.

I hate people like that.

Good luck, let us know how it comes out.

PS: chris below called it the t's had Zeniths...my memory is going...

[campbellcj]

Can't add to any of the above except that 70 911T's came with Zenith carbs, which are a "Weber clone" but mfr'd by a different company and having few if any interchangeable parts.

Good luck...

[clevy70911T]

I'm happy to report that Mark Allen has given me a full refund on the carbs. I do not feel he intentionally mis-represented the carbs. Mark has a large number of positive feedback on Ebay and I dont want this misunderstanding to effect him in a negative way.

[a3holerman]

Hi,

I bought an item from an unscrupulous person and used Pay-Pal. Filed with both E-Bay and P-P. Received my money back through Pay-Pal although E-Bay was very helpful.

The threat of interstate fraud is also a good point to bring up to this s/b.

Tom

Cape Cod

[cegerer]

Let me play Devil's Advocate:

This seller advertised them as a "very good set" and "possibly needing a overhaul"

Actually, the ad says "good", not "very good". In typical overhyped eBay-speak, "good" usually means fair. The ad also doesn't say they "possibly" need a rebuild. It indicates they DO need a rebuild. The photo shows the carbs lying carelessly on a dirty concrete floor. That alone would have turned me away!

I'm not sure what the value of a "good" set of Webers is, but $511 seems low. (i.e., there was a guy who bought a 'Rolex' wristwatch on eBay for $200. When he received it and realized it was a fake, he gave the seller negative feedback. The seller rightfully replied "Did you really think you were buying a genuine Rolex for $200?").

On the other hand, the missing and/or broken parts are unacceptable for something advertised as "complete". Obviously, the seller checked these carbs over closely because he indicated in detail the conditon of the throttle shaft bushings! I say, Get your money back!

BTW: there's a BRAND NEW set of Weber 40 IDA's on eBay right now!

[john walker's workshop]

it must have been the same guy that sold one of my customers a set on e/bay. both were full of corrosion. they were in a fire and one of the mainjet bores was broken or melted off and nicely reconstructed in JB weld.

[clevy70911T]

Well I guess, "good" and "very good" are relative terms, but good usually means useable. Complete is less of a abtract term. When vital things are missing, that's not complete. If you look close at the photo, you can see some screws missing, but when it's advertised "complete", I just trusted that all parts would be included. Buying and selling on Ebay is alot about timing. If Ebay is flooded with a certain item, then your more likely to get an item cheaper than if there were only one and everybody was bidding on it. My experience says that, $500 dollars is not unreasonably cheap for a set of Webers needing a rebuild, especially since there were a couple other sets for sell at that time. It's not really comparable to purchasing a Rolex for for 5-10% of it's normail cost , but I see you point.

Originally posted by cegerer
Let me play Devil's Advocate:

This seller advertised them as a "very good set" and "possibly needing a overhaul"

Actually, the ad says "good", not "very good". In typical overhyped eBay-speak, "good" usually means fair. The ad also doesn't say they "possibly" need a rebuild. It indicates they DO need a rebuild. The photo shows the carbs lying carelessly on a dirty concrete floor. That alone would have turned me away!

I'm not sure what the value of a "good" set of Webers is, but $511 seems low. (i.e., there was a guy who bought a 'Rolex' wristwatch on eBay for $200. When he received it and realized it was a fake, he gave the seller negative feedback. The seller rightfully replied "Did you really think you were buying a genuine Rolex for $200?").

On the other hand, the missing and/or broken parts are unacceptable for something advertised as "complete". Obviously, the seller checked these carbs over closely because he indicated in detail the conditon of the throttle shaft bushings! I say, Get your money back!

BTW: there's a BRAND NEW set of Weber 40 IDA's on eBay right now!

[andrew15]

I just took a look at the link to the auction and the sellers feedback. It seems that someone else bought a set of carbs for a 356 and had a similar experience with the seller - i.e. item not as described, and no reply to e-mails. Seems like the seller may be a bit overly optimistic in his selling discriptions......

[Joeaksa]

Get ahold of the others on his feedback list who left him negative feedback.

I did the same thing with a jerk selling computer parts (and never delivering or sending defective parts) and we contacted the local police. They visited his house every three or four days and after a couple of weeks like this he repaid everyone. Seems that his family and neighbours did not like seeing a cop car pulling up to the house and the police did not like a scammer in their town.

Do not taking this lying down and make life hell for him. Selling bad parts anywhere should be stopped and now is the time to do so...

JA

[Thomas Owen]

I bought a rear deck lid from this character about 8 months ago - advertised as 'perfect, no rust'. Well, I got the lid and to call it a piece of crap would be a complement.
I simply sent it back to him stating he had misrepresented the item, and he refunded my money.

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Yes the 911 T was aviable with 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 L displacement and only the 911T 2.0 came with Weber IDT while the 2.2 got the Zeniths.

The saler just said 911T without stating year.

But the statment that IDT are good to rise power or for racing made me laugh. I wounder if enyone using IDT as replacemt from a 2,7 or 3,0 CIS engine will see more power or have a better engine. OK they are better tunable then the Zeniths and people like poor MPG and sounds.

Grüsse

[jluetjen]

I'd like to play "Devil's Advocate" to Cegerer's
"Devil's Advocate". I'm not sure if the Rolex point applies in this case since the items were being sold in an auction setting. If you are buying a "Rollex" watch on a street corner in NYC for an advertised $20, then that analogy certainly applies.

In the case of Ebay, the final selling price is set by the competing bidders, not the seller. The person to whom the described item it worth the most will buy it for the maximum price. Everyone's a winner. A seller with a real Rolex watch might chose set a low initial price in order to jump start the bidding. As long as the watch is as described, there is nothing wrong or inaccurate with that. If most of the bidders don't recognize the item and final to low, then the buyer gets a good deal.

But if the watch is not as described, then the bidders were bidding using incorrect information which is a genuine fleece.

Either way, I agree with everyone else, use the full extent of the legal and Ebay systems to go after the guy!

[ZwickSAN]

I agree with most of the comments concerning eBay, especially keeping a concise record and involving eBay if you have a problem. Since I have 160 positive feedbacks, I'm fairly eBay literate. I pay a lot of attention to the “star” and look at their record, their feedbacks, and what they have been listing. If it’s the first time they’re listing a Porsche item, it’s going to be different if all they’ve listed is Porsche stuff or vice versa. Call or e-mail BEFORE you bid as often as you feel necessary, and be sure to save the thread in case you need it later. If it’s over $100, I always insist on insurance before they mail anything. Good luck.

Mick
AFC

[john walker's workshop]

next time use e/bay's escrow service. the seller would have to agree to this before the auction was over. if they don't want to, forget it. it's a good way to see if they're describing it well.

[Joeaksa]

Clevy,

Email me when you can. Seems that several of us who are both on Pelican and Ebay have emailed this seller and he is now saying some very interesting things about the auction that I think you would want to see. I do not want to post it here but believe that you would want to see his email.

He told me that he cannot understand why you are mad and that he cannot decide if he should just tell you to "piss off or what?" One thing, this guy has some balls....

I invited him to respond to the issue on Pelican and be a "stand up guy" and refund your money but no response as usual.

Joe

joeaksa@attglobal.net

[cegerer]

I'm not sure if the Rolex point applies in this case...

My sole point is if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is! If $500 is the going rate for a pair of Weber 40IDA's in good condition, than the analogy certainly doesn't apply.