.... or rolling front fender edges.

Sorry to say that many 911 owners are becoming yesterday's 356 owners who look at any non-factory mods/accessories with a derisive label, "Outlaw".

"I have a 1976 911S Targa, 43,000 original miles. Practically perfect car. Doesn't overheat."

Based on the above OP, I dont understand why this mod is being considered - especially on a car where you are concerned about originality.

Why are you even thinking of doing this??

Do you plan to drive the car?

20k additional miles on the car in question is a 50% increase. What impact will that have on the value?

If the car is part your investment portfolio, park it, don't touch it, keep it in a bubble.

If you bought it to drive, then put an oil cooler on it.

If your concerned about engine temps just don't drive when it 100f outside, I don't and I have a cooler.

Well if there really going to race the car that's their prerogative and I can understand that too because the 911 is such and exclusive car for the track. I would hope that all original cars that are top notch not get molested but I just don't think about those things.LOL You only live once and you cant take it with you, there is nothing else like air cooled 911's so no reason to ever get rid of it. Its all about fun and the 911's charm is unmatched. Im having fun keeping mine original but with the obvious needed upgrades.

Here is the answer to all our question:

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Will modification devalue car?
 

It is a '76 911s, with some modifications already performed. It is not a one of a kind 1964.5 mustang K code four speed convertible with one owner and custom factory paint with 45,000 original miles.

Sure someone could buy it and put it in a time capsule and wait 20 years for it to be really rare, or ship it to Germany where it will command big $ right now, but I don't honestly think it is a rare enough car for the OP to worry about drastically changing the value because he is improving the reliability so that he can drive and enjoy his car without overheating the engine.

Yes, I have watched the market Matt, actually someone just cancelled an engine harness order yesterday because they received an offer they just couldn't refuse on their '78 with 55,000 miles.

Personally, (and that is what opinions are)
I have no interest in preserving my '78 with under 90,000 miles for someone else. I plan on adding another 190,000 while I own it. :)





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Are you the original or second owner with complete service records for the car? Then maybe, otherwise probably not so much as if done right, it is a factory option that can be removed.


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Dude, that is killing me! :D

I just wonder what they went through to make that video.

[QUOTE=wayner;8235308]Here is the answer to all our question:



Oh my god when he said the wheels looked menacing that's when I lost it. Thank you so much, I haven't laughed like that in years...Man you got me good there for a min.

yeah...and there's no "pump" in an EGR system.

unless, of course, you count the engine itself...

....or the air injection pump (sorry, not EGR pump):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1409262250.jpg

Sherwood

I just added a Carrera oil cooler setup to my 1977 911S even though it is very nice original car, fully restored with paperwork from new. I want to drive it, not worry about how 3 holes in the inner fenderwell will affect the value. I was more concerned about the 225 degree oil temps when driving during the HOT Louisiana summers. I did it for the preservation of my engine and that...to me... is value.

There ya go

Sorry, I just can't stand misinformation about emissions equipment. EGR only has one moving part (a vacuum valve), does nothing at WOT and the entire purpose of it is to cool the combustion chamber. So obviously it's power robbing, engine killing junk

It's all relative. While I don't see 2.7 911s, outside of Carrera versions, bumping 6 figures any time soon, a year ago if you told me low mileage midyears would be hitting the market in the $30's I would have told you to put down the crack pipe. But it's happening right in front of our eyes.

Like you, not going to stop me from enjoying my cars. But there are collectors in all kinds of tax brackets. For some guys it's a million dollar vintage Ferrari. For others it's a $30k Porsche. Or maybe that $30k midyear helps round out their larger collection of some goal of owning one of each year of air cooled 911 ever made. But for some people, like the OP, it's a valid consideration, even if for many of us it's just not something we worry about. At the end of the day, we are debating a very very 1st world problem.

This discussion is a real eye opener.
The car is fun to drive, does not over heat (Seattle doesn't get too hot in summer), and is in excellent condition. Original paint is glossy, I'm the third owner, a Seattle car, never driven hard, all records kept from 38,000 miles on by second owner who maintained it well (brake bleed every other year, etc), interior is clean without cracked dash, all gauges work. It's a very clean, fully functional car.

So, that's why I ask about the potential change in value of a major alteration to what in my eyes is a practically perfect car. (Emotional statement alert!)

It's not a major alteration. In fact, most folks wouldn't even notice unless you pointed it out. Add to that, it's practically a bolt-on, which means it's really easy to take off again.

If you aren't seeing high oil temps, don't worry about it.

Not driving your favorite car because your worried about the resale value is like not having sex with your wife because you don't want to spoil it for her next husband.

OP, do what you like. Keep the original parts in a box. Enjoy the car.

-Steve

Not to go too off-topic, but back-daters take note.

Discuss:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/646438-who-makes-trailer-hitch-911-78-89-has-inexpensive-one.html

Porsche people love to spend money. We had shirts make up in the Philly Region that said "Don't drive better - just spend more." That's the Porsche way.

Let's add an oil cooler that we don't need. That would be really cool.

On a more serious note never throw an old part out. All those old parts go with the car to the next custodian. You don't really own a Porsche you just get to take care of it for a while. When you lose interest or get too old to drive it goes to a new custodian.

I'm the 3rd custodian of my '73. Right now I'm spending too much money on old emissions equipment. The least the earlier custodians could have done was put the stuff in a box and sold it to me when I bought the car. Or, if I had been smarter I would have started looking for this stuff about 10 years ago. Oh well.

Richard Newton

Did you note the date of the video?

You are my new hero. Thats the most succinct and accurate statemejt i have heard in too long.

well said.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to notice that and comment on it. :)

I don't think I needed to look at the date to figure out that was satire. IT WAS A FREAKIN LEBARON.

I hate when old cars get infested with termites ;)

Don't let your Morgan even slow down in the PNW!

Will modification devalue car?

Apparently not even nature can accomplish that:

1971 Porsche 911 - S 2,2 | Classic Driver Market

Sherwood

Sorry, but he doesn't get credit for that... he's (mis) quoting James Glickenhaus ;)

No saws or drills please!!! Are you buy & hold?
 

In my younger days I destroyed a 57 Bel Air with rare factory PS, PB & AC to make a 400HP BB hot rod that I had to eventually take off the road & hide for fear of law enforcement reprisals. Ah, youth. If I just locked it up in a garage for 20 years...or if I did the same with my 73... Your ride is a joy to drive and preserving the OEM value is a good long term plan but you need to fun ride today with confidence. With 43K, reversible modifications & keeping/buying OEM parts are a must to your long term value. The trick is balancing the reversible modifications with everyday requirements. A set of SSI's & cleaning out crap from your BEHR fins may be all you need in Seattle. You are not racing? SSI's make a big difference in exhaust heat retention (DUUUH!!!). Get any Thermo Reactors & pumps off and prepare them for storage & store them for future resale, please. I run a late '83 930/10 (200+HP 9,8 CR Euro 3.0 with side drainer case) with SSI's and I dabble at staying up to oil temp on the street on casual drives in the south CA coastal area and even the old canyons. As Danny Sullivan said, " I just have to be faster than the car behind me". An old stock US 2.7 CIS can still put the wood to many cars. What do you really need????? Please do not butcher the sweet cars of tomorrow. Go visit John Walker's Workshop for good shop advice & good work. The Dude knows his stuff and he is local to you (hint, hint, hint). Best of Luck.