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Project Minne - A Saga of a 72.

Minneola. A tangy cross between a tangerine and a grapefruit. They are odd shaped, larger than their cousin's and are known for being quite juicy.

So, Minne is a 1972 911T in tangerine, non-sunroof coupe roller. I have no idea what the interior color is other than an ivory headliner - because there is no interior. There is no motor. This is the perfect start to build a tangy, early car.

These cars are still out there. It just takes some searching. Here are a few pictures.

What is that behind the bushes?


Oh, its a 911.


Loaded on the trailer. At least the tires held air long enough to roll onto the trailer.



First order of business. Fix some rust. Rear deck? Its not there.


Really, Its not there. The car sat outside without glass for many years.


This is a relatively easy panel to replace and the sheet metal came with the car.

Other rust areas...

Front pan? Yep, just like many other pre galvanized cars it needs to be replaced.
Front pedal cluster? mostly clean but needs a patch.
Front tunnel section? Well, water pooled in the front section so it needs some attention.

Otherwise, The car is structurally solid.

Rockers? Clean as can be.
Lateral tank supports? Look like new.
Exterior? Yes. needs to be completely stripped but it is straight.

What are my plans? I am guessing 18 months for bodywork and paint. Then I can consider what the options are for suspension and drivetrain. No way this car will get restored to original. Its just not all there. I am not sure what I will do yet but I have many ideas. I have plenty of time to think about it.

It will probably be a parts bin car. Meaning, I will look in my parts bin (Garage, storage, shed, etc) to see what I have. There are a few motors, transmission and other choices. Interior will be spartan but have some creature comforts. Somewhat a spicy variant of street rod, track car and GT car. Fully capable and plenty of juice. A perfect match to her name.

Not sure when the next update will be. Probably a picture of the tub on an octisserie to work on the underside.

Wherever I end up it will be a fun, and often frustrating journey.
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:56 PM
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Awesome.


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Nice find.
It's not rusted, it's an aftermarket lightweight!
Doesn't look too bad.

7s and 8s fuchs?
And a gearbox.

You have all you need!
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This will be great Jamie!

Did you see the post yesterday with the orange hot rod? Not a bad target.
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This is the perfect start to build a tangy, early car.

These cars are still out there. It just takes some searching.

It will probably be a parts bin car. Meaning, I will look in my parts bin (Garage, storage, shed, etc) to see what I have.

Wherever I end up it will be a fun, and often frustrating journey.
Jamie.. cool find, and as you said there are a few still out there..

Oh, parts bin cars have lots of personality! Good luck with the project.

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Aftermarket lightweight. Sounds like a great theme.

Erik, Yes. That is a great target. I followed that car on EarlySReg. Its a fantastic project.

Paul, You are right. They are still out there. The PO is a good friend of mine and I have known of the car for many years. I got tired of seeing it sitting and was finally able to convince him to sell it to me to put back on the road. The only condition is that is first right of refusal if I ever sell. I think this one is a keeper.
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I am fully aware of the road ahead. I am not scared. I have been down this road a few times - even saving the early cars before the current market value. I just enjoy these types of projects.

I went through a mental inventory of parts last night. Let's see if any of these will go on the car...

EXTERIOR:
NOS RS rear flares? HMMM. Minneolas are bigger (wider) than a stock tangerine. Could be something good for Minne. This of course means more wheel and tire.
RS front bumper? Fiberglass and needs some work but it has an oil cooler cutout for much needed auxiliary cooling in TX.

DRIVETRAIN:
3.2SS motor? Likely candidate but I already had this in the ST a few years ago.
2.4E motor? Perfect compression for a street motor but does not meet my end HP goals.
late Carrera 915 transmission? Has a bad R&P.
7:31 R&P? Makes a good match with my parts transmission.
Factory LSD? HMM. That will help if I keep the tub narrow.
Borg Warner S200SX? Now that would be an excellent match to the 2.4E. If you don't know that that is. Look it up. (Hint: Will help me meet my HP goals).

INTERIOR:
GTS ST Seats? Yes, saved from a previous project. Comfortable and supportive.
RS Carpet set? Sitting in a box waiting for some glue and stretching.

SUSPENSION:
28mm Sanders Hollow rear bars? About right for this car.
19mm Through body front Sway bar? Same as the torsion bars
Adjustable rear spring plates? Necessary for easy corner balance.

Tub:
Usual and some new chassis reinforcements? Want to greatly stiffen the tub with minimal intrusion for the interior. There will not be a roll bar or cage in this one. I have some ideas and I will weld them in place.

So, the parts bin is looking like it can supply most of the missing parts. I have almost a complete car stashed around - minus the tub.
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And now its time for the rest of the story...

Last year for Christmas (2013) my wife gave me a "yes" button. Huh!? That's right an actual YES button to go forth and find a new project car. I like building things including cars and I was looking for something new to get my hands dirty. The deal came with a "Terms and Conditions" sheet about condition, price, perceived value, etc.

While I bought the car last summer, it was not Official since it was stored at a friends house fore a few months while I waited for time to free up. Well, it was time.

Yesterday, Minne came home and I officially cashed in my YES button.



The ceremony was simple. A few words were said. my wife made a bunch of jokes about the condition. And then I unloaded the trailer where I then heard the comment "I know where you will be for the next year and a half." Yes, I have to agree.

I then took advantage of the fantastic Austin February weather and worked on the car. First, I had to swap out to my roller wheels. The wheels from delivery go back to the PO. At least I had my favorite helper. Maybe Minne will drive before he gets to drive. Let's hope so. Either way, I enjoyed a great afternoon with my son.




Then I loaded it on the lift and started the transformation. At the end of the day the tub was basically stripped of body panels. No doors, not fenders, no hood, no decklid. Just a rolling tub.



I have to keep it rolling for now until I build either the dolly/cart or Octisserie. I have not decided which. My garage does not really support the extra width of a hoop around the car.
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So, once I had removed some stuff it was time for an analysis of what to get.

1. Front pan is non-existent.



At least the rust did not migrate into the inner fender well.



pass battery box has a hole. No worries. This will be removed for an oil cooler. I might cut both sides for dual coolers.




2. Rear deck. Yes, its a mess. I have the full replacement panel including seat pans ready to go in.







Yes, that is the transmission you see through the holes. Should be straightforward to cut this all out and replace. The worst is that it is a big panel and hard to handle.

3. Paint. I had to see how much of the original paint was left. The paint is badly oxidized. I started with some degreaser and then followed with soap and water.





There is just something about the way that Tangerine glows in sunlight. It can't wait to see this painted.

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This will be a fantastic project. I love the color and commend you for saving a car that just a couple of years ago would have been scrapped. I have a '72 with the oil fill door as well...my favorite!
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>Otherwise, The car is structurally solid.

Maybe unintentional, but that was funny !!! ;-)

Good luck , sounds like you know what you are doing ! How's the torsion tubes ?
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>Otherwise, The car is structurally solid.

Maybe unintentional, but that was funny !!! ;-)

Good luck , sounds like you know what you are doing ! How's the torsion tubes ?
Truth is that I have been down this road before with worse cars. The reason I say structurally solid is there is no rust to speak of in the longitudinals. They are perfect with original paint on the inside.

The torsion tube is solid upon initial inspections. I have not yet pulled the suspension to know for sure. That will happen in another week or so once I finish my body dolly.

If only the car would have been stored with the glass installed it would not need this much effort.

I do not consider a front pan a reason to say a car is not structurally sound. They can be replaced in a weekend if you know the process. Of course, paint takes a while to dry so its the second weekend before you are driving again.
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Today I started the process of adding weight back to the car today. What? No, I am not bolting new parts on the car. In fact, I removed some rusty metal. Below is the result of 25 minutes and 5 cut-off wheels in my grinder. I have a feeling I need to go buy stock in an abrasives company the way I am going to go through consumables.

What a difference this makes in how the car looks and presents itself. That rusty rear deck kinda slapped you in the face like an iron oxide flyswatter. Funny that this did actually happen as I was squatting in the empty engine bay when the panel came down.

I will let the pictures speak for themselves right now.









There is so much access to the rear of the car. Maybe I will just make a clear cover and pretend I have a prancing horse drivetrain in the back. Nah, I will however, do some reinforcements to the torsion tube and heel panel. Yes, I have a new heel panel on the way. I am not quite ready to cut that one out just yet. I have to tidy up the engine bay.

So here is a comparison of what was left of the old seat pans and what will be replacing it. This is why I mentioned adding weight. Now about that color. Do you think Signal Green will clash with Tangerine?









I am trying to make as many cuts to rusty metal as I can. I have a plan to have a mobile wet-blasting company come out in the next few weeks to strip the tub. I would rather not have them blast the rusty metal that I know is coming out anyway for replacement. So, I will make strategic cuts to minimize the time of the blaster.

I also am going to try and build a rolling dolly this weekend so that car is more mobile and I can drop the suspension off.

Feels good to make some progress.
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"Do you think Signal Green will clash with Tangerine?"

Nah, just rename it "Peas 'n' Carrots."

Where in Austin are you located? Neighborhood looks like it might be North/Northwest.
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Nah, just rename it "Peas 'n' Carrots."
That is funny. Even funnier because I don't like peas or carrots.

Yes. N. Austin near 183/360
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Damn! That's going to be a project! I dig the color! What's cool about it, you can go any direction with the car! Have fun bringing it back from the dead! Look forward to the finish car.
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Exactly. My blank canvas of creativity on wheels.

Since it was already stripped it did not take much to get to this point. Just a few hours. I don't want to think of how many hours I will have once its done.

It will take a while but I will finish. I hope I can get the car out for paint before the summer. I was going to paint it but I am not sure I have the time for all the prep work. Guess I will have to see what my schedule allows.
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was the back seat area covered in leaves etc ?

just seems like a lot of rust thru for just rain
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I think the problem was that the rear window seal was gone. This allowed lots of water to fester under the rear seat pan padding. This, of course, is only speculation. I don't really have any history on the car. Just what it looks like in its current state.

I am just glad that most of this rot did not get into the really structural areas of the car.
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