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rattlsnak 06-11-2015 06:38 PM

You'll never get what you have put into it obviously, but I'd say its closer to an $8K motor, if that. It's a niche engine for a small market as for a few grand more, a buyer can get a 3.6.

Reiver 06-11-2015 06:47 PM

If that is a 930-10 ROW then you have 204 hp stock....with SSI's that you show probably 215-220. The PMO's probably give it some snap with the stock cam....I'd put a different cam in there with the PMO's and you should be in the 240-250 range.
It will also save you a bundle considering what you have done already.
I love my 930-10 as it is a sturdy as the US model with the extra HP....especially if you upgrade to a Carrera cooler unit to keep the temps way down (safety factor with the high compression) and use a good high octane.
Drop some weight from the car and it's a very fun drive.

Bob Kontak 06-11-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 78-911SC (Post 8663699)
Or are all 3.0 ROW the same?

Yes. 9.8:1 compression. No lambda control. Across the six years.

Stock engine is 20+ HP higher than US engines if bone stock.

PMO's will provide some HP but a big benefit will be throttle response.

Cams are the missing component. However, I don't know if the ROW SC's had the same cams as the US cams.

I do think this engine will bring a pretty penny as is, given a pro top end rebuild.

I say start at $12k as it sits.

Bob Kontak 06-11-2015 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 8663739)
You'll never get what you have put into it obviously, but I'd say its closer to an $8K motor, if that. It's a niche engine for a small market as for a few grand more, a buyer can get a 3.6.

I said $12k but that is not looking at other viable options, such as the 3.6.

Changes the playing field.

timmy2 06-11-2015 08:18 PM

'78 &'79 ROW were 8.5:1 compression just like the US model.

Matt Monson 06-11-2015 08:24 PM

I say 7-8k plus the carbs.

Bob Kontak 06-11-2015 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy2 (Post 8663854)
'78 &'79 ROW were 8.5:1 compression just like the US model.

Shut my mouth. Looks like 81 was the big change for ROW. Thanks.

Reiver 06-11-2015 09:09 PM

I can't find where the OP stated a year or engine number.....if it's a later 9.8-1 204 HP model I think he should just develop that a bit and save a great deal of money.
Either way he'd have a nice motor to sell...but might be satisfied with the 230-250 HP he could get there.

Matt Monson 06-12-2015 05:05 AM

He said he think it is 180-200hp. From that I take it to be a later small port us engine.

rennch 06-12-2015 05:49 AM

I can probably get $3500 for the carbs as they sit, as they are virtually brand new. Maybe the smart money is to do that, then sell the CiS engine for 7-8k.

Todge 06-12-2015 05:57 AM

Leave it alone until AFTER mexico!

rennch 06-12-2015 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todge (Post 8664214)
Leave it alone until AFTER mexico!

LOL todge. :)

Reiver 06-12-2015 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 8664150)
He said he think it is 180-200hp. From that I take it to be a later small port us engine.

the 930-10 82-83 is a large port @ 204 HP with the stock crappy exhaust set up.

Matt Monson 06-12-2015 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver (Post 8664835)
the 930-10 82-83 is a large port @ 204 HP with the stock crappy exhaust set up.

Yes, Mike appears to be contradicting himself. I made my post hoping he would correct me if I am wrong since he's the only one who knows. I would expect this engine around 230+/- with the carbs and early exhaust.

Reiver 06-13-2015 01:08 PM

Matt.
Wayne's 911 rebuilding book gives some figures for a 3.0 w/ 9.8-1 comp, CIS, 964 cam, SSI's should yield up to 30-50 HP over stock.

He's already got the carb set up so I suspect much closer to the +50...250/254 hp.

I think I'd try this route prior to an engine swap.

ninesixfour 06-13-2015 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver (Post 8666137)
Matt.
Wayne's 911 rebuilding book gives some figures for a 3.0 w/ 9.8-1 comp, CIS, 964 cam, SSI's should yield up to 30-50 HP over stock.

He's already got the carb set up so I suspect much closer to the +50...250/254 hp.

I think I'd try this route prior to an engine swap.

Me too unless you're targeting a specific racing class or hp/wt ratio for competition purposes. Especially after having just spent $8K on it.

OP- just trying to clarify, the bottom end has 40k on it (which was done before you owned the car and is missing documentation) and the top end is fresh as of October 2014?

saxen 06-13-2015 04:19 PM

I would start at $13,500 and go from there- any good 3.6 engine plus swap parts will run you $17k plus starting-

rennch 06-14-2015 06:46 AM

How difficult is it to do a cam install? I see a lot of WHY I should, but not any how-to threads. I'm looking for a 20/21 or 964 profile right? I might as well install to get some bang for the buck yea?


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Tremelune 06-14-2015 09:04 PM

Consider purchasing the 3.6 before selling the engine you currently have. The recent prices I've seen for 993 motors that do not need rebuilds are staggering. Your enthusiasm may wane.

Another thing to consider is gearing and lightness. I have a 2500-pound M491 with a close-ratio 915 5-speed and a '95 3.6. It flies. When I drive my father's stock 993, it feels more like my stock '87 than my M491.

Farrell 06-15-2015 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emptyo (Post 8666854)
How difficult is it to do a cam install? I see a lot of WHY I should, but not any how-to threads. I'm looking for a 20/21 or 964 profile right? I might as well install to get some bang for the buck yea?


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I've been looking for this as well. I have not seen ONE thread on how to change out cams. Doesn't look terribly difficult but, again, no threads. A how to, would be nice.


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