The #4 are now available on my website Carmagic, LED Gauge Light for 911 Porsches. LED Headlights

http://carmagic.us/images/web_image.jpg

I have ordered a set of LED headlights from rothaus for my 83 sc.

I'm looking forward to trying this out. I've had this car for 30 years and still have the original sugar scoops.

Does anyone know the brand from Amazon?
Is this it:
Amazon.com: Eyourlfie 7 Inch Led Headlight Jeep Tj Headlights Harley Davidson Headlight CREE XML High Low Beam Headlight: Automotive

They seem to be on sale. I am going to buy and install - then post the info.

Are they DOT approved and fit the H4s? Looked at the link, but can't tell.

Juergen

Please check the dimensions before you order them. They may not fit. Make sure you can return them in case they don't fit into the lamp holder.

Cheers
Engelbert

Littleoldman - The Amazon lights look identical to the one rothaus is selling. Why would you buy from Amazon when for a few dollars more you could support a fellow Pelican that did all of the research and posted photos of the lights in use on a 911 & 944?

Guys,

I installed the GE Nighthawk 7" rounds tonight into my sugar scoop buckets. Have not yet done relay upgrade so this is with stock wiring. I did have the H4 bulb upgrade/conversion kit sold here on Pelican, so I was running H4 bulbs (itself a huge improvement over sealed beams.)

Observations:
- Much brighter, white/blue light. Like that light quality while driving, for sure.
- Fit is good, but does require that the retaining ring "snap" onto the bulb. Difficult to explain but pictures below probably illustrate. The GE bulb is much deeper than standard 7" incandescent or H4 insert bulbs.
- The bulbs have a pigtail attached to their 3-prong female plug, a plus for installation ease.
- Because of the deeper bulb, the face protrudes more from the trim ring and (in my opinion at least) gives you a hybrid "H4-like" appearance that is kinda cool. Less of the sugar scoop is visible.
- The front has a "GE" logo on it (not wild about that but whatever) on the horizontal chrome strip that separates the low and high beams. The chrome strip modernizes the look tastefully and almost gives a slotted eye appearance. Looks better in person.

I'll drive with these a while and update you guys on anything I find out. Quick switch and I really like them so far! On my drive around the block, the quality was noticeable and no one flashed me so I think the pattern for oncoming drivers is good. You can see the difference between the solid pattern of the LEDs vs the spotty old H4s in the photos.

Amazon.com: GE NIGHTHAWK LED 7" Round LED Replacement Headlamp: Automotive

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I did a little searching and found this UK site.

LumeTechnik LED Conversion | RPM Technik : Independent Porsche Specialists
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Also found this fascinating selection of HID, LED etc...........lights.
http://www.**********/1985-porsche-911-series-headlights/

Those LumeTechnik lenses are beautiful, but also $2k a pair...good for some but I was looking for something a little more reasonable

Those look like a lot of fly-by-night operations...I wouldn't buy most of that stuff until I saw some extensive reviews. I've only heard of JW Speaker and KC.

GE = General Electric. I am sure you would agree that they don't fall into the FBN category.

Where would I get the clear outer lenses from, as I am not keen on the sugar scoop look...?

Installed the LED headlights from Rothaus this morning.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452538653.jpg
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Once you've driven with them a bit I'd be curious to hear your feedback on them, and which model you purchased.

Not sure about the look shown (go to that website and maybe contact them).

The old bookmarks in this forum I have are for VW/356 Porsche conversions with exposed tabs as I recall.

Purchased these LED headlights from Rothaus. I did not get the chance to drive the car until after 12mn here which was good because I have not adjusted the lights yet. Took a 5 minute drive. These LED headlights are a big improvement over my old headlights.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452666530.jpg
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Truck-Lite makes the led GE nighthawk bulb, rebranded. The Truck-lite is cheaper and doesn't have the center logo.

http://www.amazon.com/Truck-Lite-27270C-Headlamp/dp/B007K8AA7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449174600&sr=8-1&keywords=Truck+lite+led+headlights

saved this link to visit later. definitely interested in improving the headlights on all my P cars.

Just installed the first set of LED's in H4 housings.

http://airboxer.com/images/SC_led01.jpg

http://airboxer.com/images/SC_led02.jpg

Will make some pictures during Day light.

Cheers
Engelbert

They look amazing, but I still think the grey inside of the H4 housing could do with a Chrome of black finish.

Thoughts?

Nice! Is there a timeline for commercial availability?

Cost?

Painting the grey plastic shell on the sugar scoops satin black looks really good. It fits the blacked out trim. Did it a long time ago. Still think that is the way it should have come from the factory.

This is the first proto type of the LED's installed in H4 Housings. I have to do a few more adjustments and they should for sale by end of this month. They should be around $850/set.

Cheers
Engelbert

Now we're talking.

Here are my Bi-Xenon with black trim and black inside housinghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1453062222.jpg

Here are some pictures with the LED headlights installed in different cars.

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Some close up picture of the H4 assemblies.

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Cheers
Engelbert

I get a lot of inquiries about the LED headlights with fluted lenses, so I did a test to see what it looks like with H4 lenses in front of the dual Low Beam projectors.

Here is a picture of a set I just made for a customer with H4 lenses instead the clear lens.

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Here is a comparison of the Carmagic LED Headlight with the Clear and fluted lens. The test was done with one headlight each. The light output is about the same, and the clear lens shows a clear cut-off. The Fluted lens has a kind of cut-off, but is not as clear. Because the LED's have 2 projectors for the low beam, there is very little light going above the cut-off line and will not blind oncoming traffic.

Low beam with clear lens

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Low beam with H4 Fluted lens

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LED with clear lens. The two projectors are the low beam, and also stay on when switch to high beam.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4679/2...177af07b_c.jpg

LED with H4 Fluted lens. The Projectors are hidden behing the H4 lens, and give the vintage look.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4641/2...2ba82925_c.jpg

Cheers
Engelbert

I really dig the fluted lens for a more vintage look. Can I easily install this kit in my '87 (and replace my H5s)? PM sent...

Cool comparison. Wow, the fluted lenses (no shock) really kill the pattern and the output. Look at the loss of light into the trees.

Compared to clear lenses, but compared to halogens these must be a whole lot better for those of us that would like to keep a vintage look.

Hey Engelbert: Can you post a pic of your "garage door test" with the fluted lenses, so we can see the pattern/cutoff and potential dispersion above the line?


evan

Hey Guys,

I was the one Engelbert put these together for, and you're correct they are miles better than the sealed beam headlights. So much so that you don't care that the hardline from the leds is more of a gradual fade. You still have more than enough light in the places you need to focus.

In the standard on position you don't notice that the lenses are fluted. The biggest difference is when you throw the high beams on, then you do see some patterns in the beam.

I'll see if I cant get a few "garage door" shots this weekend. If time permits I'll try to install one of the sealed beam lights for a side by side comparison.

If you want to keep the "classic" look of the headlights with modern & safer lighting, this is absolutely an option.

Oh and one last thing, the quality of these headlights are top notch. They are assembled to a standard that would exceed OEM. I would recommend any version of Engelbert's products.

Erik

The concern isn't so much light output, but distribution and glare for oncoming drivers.

Here are some picture from some testing I did. These are all inside against the garage wall.

This is with the LED in a fluted lens.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4759/3...3b4140d9_o.jpg

The pictures below are from another test when I compared H4, LED, and a LED bulb in the H4 headlight.

H4 has actually a cut-off and it's dark above the line.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4616/3...e1e31500_b.jpg

LED has also a cut-off, but it is more like the HID projectors. These LED have 2 projectors for low beam, that's why it looks like a shadow so close to the wall.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4717/3...6ecde5a8_b.jpg

This is the LED bulb installed in the H4 housing. The light is everywhere.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4742/3...ca53313e_b.jpg

Cheers
Engelbert

^ that is very interesting. yea, I'm concerned about glare for oncoming drivers. The color thru the clear lens looks good, but (if the picture is consistent color temp) the fluted lens adds a green cast.

Here is a little video about the installation of the headlights.

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Cheers
Engelbert

LED trials
 

simple - just order them - since it's amazon you can try 'em & send 'em back - no cost except your time

show us your results SmileWavy

p.s. - lot's of us have been running H4 90/100's for yrs - w/o concern for the gendarmerie

I purchased the LED headlights with fluted lenses from Englebert (Car Magic), and I wanted to give a thumbs-up so far. These have replaced my H5s, and the functional difference is really striking. I swear, the light output must be double (at least it was inside my garage). The color is much whiter (more like HIDs) also. Because of the crappy winter weather here in Michigan, I have not had the car on the road yet, but I am certain they will be much superior to the H5s. Mounting is the same as H4 assemblies. With the fluted lenses, you really can't easily tell that they are not H4s (I also have painted trim rings). Here are photos of the lights on the car in my garage, FWIW. I will give a final report after they have been aimed, and driven at night, but I am looking forward to a much better night time driving experience. My $.02, YMMV.

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