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elaborate on which 911 to buy...
Hello, After reading the post about which 911 to buy for $10-$12K I started thinking. I'm very interested in a one owner '76 2.7 that is beautiful. Asking price is a bit high for a 2.7 ($12K) but it's exceptional. If I do buy this car I would have to sell something...like my '70E. Now I'll bet there are a few of you out there thinking I should have my head checked but I'm a sucker for this year ('76) and exactly how this car is equipped. My question...should I buy this car and sell the E or put my hard earned money into the E (it needs love)? BA need not reply, I know what he would say! Thanks, Pete
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10-04-2001, 06:26 PM
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Pete ... sounds pretty crazy to me!
Considering that the '76 is neither as fast or as quick as your 'E' ... it sound like a big sacrifice to go to short hood and fat bumpers with smiles! And, a big loss in the 'character' department, too! If you want an upgrade ... stay with an MFI engine! Take a look at my comments in these threads: http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/013807.html http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/013811.html ------------------ Warren Hall 1973 911S Targa 1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler |
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erm.... yep you are crazy.
 The '76 is often considered to be the worst year for a 911. Whilst the '70 E is often considered one of the best! I had a '76 and loved it. But on refelction I dont think I'd get another. If you want a 2.7 then get '74. Or ignore them and get an SC. But then if the 2.7 is really good, with all the upgrades etc... and the E is a complete dog and requires a lot of work. Then depending on how much cash you have, the '76 could make more sense. But it wont be half as cool. Alex. |
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10-05-2001, 06:26 AM
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I think you know the pro's and cons of the '76. Looks like you have a few P-cars. The things I would consider are:
- Are you buying this car for yourself to enjoy (and what do you enjoy - adulation from your peers or driving) or to be in one of the "in" crowds? This is an honest question. If you will feel less than cool owning an "unwanted" model year then don't kid yourself. - What are you going to use the car for (daily driver off the bat, project, etc.)? - Have the known "problems" of the '76 been taken care of or would you be OK with doing it with your budjet? - Is the car an investment? If so is this car a financial loss like most cars or an undervalued stock? I couldn't say. It's your decision of course. I am looking seriously at a '74 because at $9k it's 1/2 what I would spend, has a rebuilt motor, great body and paint, and was considered the best of the unrespected middle year cars. Just be honest with what you want. Tim Geez I sound like a dad now! |
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10-05-2001, 07:51 AM
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I hope the '76 2.7 you're looking at has the 49 state SC type exhaust and not the Calif. thermals.
The good thing about that year, compared to a 74, is the fully galivinized body, the modernized cold start system(no more hand throttle), and the classic body contours. Joe [This message has been edited by stlrj (edited 10-05-2001).] [This message has been edited by stlrj (edited 10-05-2001).] |
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10-05-2001, 08:01 AM
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The hand throttle is great! What's wrong with it?
psarmany, It does sound like you know the "pitfalls" of 2.7s. But, like a lot of things where people grossly exaggerate something they've heard and read about, don't be too put off. Most 2.7s in the world will be running fine not pulling headstuds everywhere. Sure, they did, but usually worsened by a hot climate etc. The engines are harder to rebuild too. But most cars are fixed up now. My car needed a valve grind at 60,000 the studs were fine. I use it as an everyday car doing long journeys often. Many people on the board have 2.7s that have been fine too and have high miles on orig. engines. A 1976 one owner car in excellent condition is a rarity. 2.7s are fast - Autocar got 0 to 60 in 6.1 and 145 mph max. Go with what looks good to you. Usually people say go for car that's in the best condition you can find for your price. Sounds like you've found a nice one. Good luck.... ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 |
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Call me crazy but I kinda like character of the mid 70's 911. Granted the 2.7 engines had some problems but they can be fixed up and many already are. After all we aren't living in 1985 anymore when all of those concerns were valid. Now, in 2001 many of those 2.7 engines have been fixed or replaced with good engines.
I think those early bumper cars have alot of special "70's" character, especially in a cool color like Ice Green. |
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psarmany, if you like the '76 go for it. I agree that the trouble areas on the 2.7 are more scary that in actuality... I mean according to legend it should be dead by now
 Granted I would stick with the '70 E. ------------------ Adrian Pillow 1979 911 SC 1966 VW Microbus PCA - Peachstate Region |
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10-05-2001, 09:40 AM
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I agree with you Orb. Total '70s character, often in bright colours too. I'm sure in 10 years time people will be much more into them and their appeal will be widely appreciated.
It's really time to get a 2.7/Middle year specific web site etc. going.... Calling all 2.7 ers? And I guess 3.0 Carreras are technically "middle year"? ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 [This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 10-05-2001).] |
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Saffs,
I don't know where you got the data, or its validity at the time ... but no 2.7 ever produced for the USA market ever came close to those performance figures! Not even the '74s with 7:31 r & p and the good exhaust!!! A '76 couldn't come within 2 seconds of that 0-60 time or even 15 mph lower thann that top end! They wouldn't top 130 mph, unless falling down a mineshaft!!! ------------------ Warren Hall 1973 911S Targa 1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler |
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10-05-2001, 10:22 AM
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Warren,
I'm talking about Euro spec. ones. Autocar, as I'm sure you'll know, is a respected very long running UK car mag. I'll scan the review when I'm back in the UK for you if you doubt it. I know US spec ones are slower and compromised. I'm taking it in it's original form and thinking there's a few ROW 2.7s in the US - like my my car before it came to the UK. And when I'm talking about the 2.7 I'm refering to it's kind Worldwide, wasn't it only for the US (and Jap. maybe?) that they were detuned - I appreciate that the US was one of the biggest markets but there's plenty of 2.7s around Europe too. Plus, I'm not going to recount performance figures without knowing it, off the top of my head: that would be misleading. So to confirm, I'm talking ROW spec. I should of said that when I recounted the figures! I'll happily scan the review when I'm home if anyone is interested.... Anthony ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 [This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 10-05-2001).] |
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Well thank you all for your replies! Problem is that I agree with all of you! The car is a 49 state (US spec) car with 157,000 original miles. Engine never rebuilt (not even top end) and NO upgrades, still has 5 blade fan, no pop-off valve and stock chain tensioners! I'd like to use it as a daily driver and enjoy it - bottom line. I drive my blotchy gray 914 everyday with it's woefully underpowered 76hp motor and love it! The purchase of this '76 911S isn't to get attention, isn't that why Porsche built the SC (snatch catcher)? I bought the E almost 2 years ago and I'm taking my time with her as she needs lots but I guess I'd like the 911 experience NOW! Why '76? Don't know . If it were a '75 or '77 I wouldn't even be looking at it! And that isn't a rip on you other 2.7 guys! The owner sent me pics so I will post some this PM for you guys to see. Meanwhile I've got an appointment with my shrink...Thanks again, Pete
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In the struggle for the ability to say "2.7" loudly and proudly, the '76 you refer to Peter, would make even me nervous
 But, what the Hell, it's gone so far - and you're in AZ? - it's a testimony to the sometimes rumored fact that 2.7s can be OK. Love to see pics. What colour? Make my day and tell me lime green Good luck, though. Sounds like it thrives on use.... I can see that 5 blade fan spinning in the Arizona heat in my darkest nightmares now.... ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 [This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 10-05-2001).] |
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BTW - a yellow '76 Targa on Autotrader just caught my eye. I will have to get the details of the motor.
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So here she is...'76S sunroof coupe. Saffs, no lime green here and yes I do live in Arizona but at an elevation of 7000' so heat isn't so much of an issue here (in Flagstaff). I agree it is a sketchy endeavor to get into with the 2.7s track record. Ironic that one of Porsches most sought after cars/engines ('73 2.7RS Carrera) is also one of their most shunned ('74-'77 2.7 911). Potential 2.7 saviour or classic 2.2 keeper? Life is full of tough decisions! Pete
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Wow, Peter! That does look nice!
Looks like someone colour coded the headlight surrounds - they were chrome ones, by the looks of it. Has it be repainted elsewhere? Well, they say buying a car is all condition, history and originality - if one values the latter. Looks like you've got a lot of that there. I'm sure it's going to be fine for everyday use if it's running OK now and stands a PPI. Good luck ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 [This message has been edited by Saffs (edited 10-05-2001).] |
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Saffs, Well there's always more to the story...as far as paint goes the trunk lid and fenders have been resprayed (and replaced for taht matter) due to a low speed accident. The owner put the front end into a truck at 5 mph...oh and there is an engine fire in her history. Both repairs professionaly done to the highest standards. Owner says motor smokes after start up on very cold mornings but quick subsides. Saffs you might enjoy the color of the 76S at this site www.californiaclassics.com. Walk, run or head to the bank? Pete
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Pete,
Love the colour of that '76 on californiaclassics. A board member (Alex Counsel) had a '76 Targa that colour - you could get Cookie Cutters colour coded to match! You'd get a PPI done? How's the interior? ------------------ '75 911S Targa '81 BMW Alpina C1 2.3 |
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I don't know. Maybe I missed something. You are looking at a car with an asking price of $12K that has been partially resprayed and experienced an engine fire? I think I'd keep looking unless there is something more to the story I'm not understanding. Are you getting it for a lot less than the asking price?
It seems there are other 76 911s to choose from for around the same price. There has to be something out there with a more favorable history don't you think?http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/2/8/13424928.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/8/14289198.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/6/6/14454966.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/8/1/1192081.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/1/1195591.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/4/7/1407547.htm http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/4/3/1328543.htm Above is just the result of a few minutes of searching. Don't take it the wrong way. I just don't want you to get taken. Good luck whatever you choose. |
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