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Sunroof 01-04-2016 10:20 AM

Is the MSD Blaster igntion coil compatible with the CDI unit in the 1973.5T 911?
 
My car has been known to suddenly die after a long run on the road and I thought it might be fuel related. Lately though someone suggested that the MSD Blaster ignition coil I installed might be overheating and causing the shutdown after a nice run with the car. The questions came up as to whether I was using a non-resistor rotor? does the Blaster has an internal resistor? or I have external ballast resistor?

I do use the 6500 rpm cut off rotor, which I just realized is not the "non resistor rotor". I will switch to the non resistor rotor, but can anyone shed any light on what's going on with this system set up. And yes, I have bought the silver made in Brazil coil, which failed me miserably after purchase.

thanks

Bob
1973.5T

matthewb0051 01-05-2016 10:23 AM

Bob,

I was searching for the same issue a few years back. I don't remember where I found it in this Forum, but there is a post from either Warren Hall or Grady Clay regarding the MSD master blaster coil. From the testing that he did, he determined that the coil was the exact same spec as the original factory coil.

Not sure if that answers the question but hopefully can point you in the right direction.

Matthew

911tracker85 01-05-2016 12:17 PM

dont know about your question. but during the build of my 951 DE/street car I installed a MSD blaster coil. it died on the first drive within minutes. replaced with another MSD and it died after a few months.

put the original coil back in for now, until I decide if I am going to go a full MDS / AL6

good luck.

wwest 01-06-2016 09:59 AM

Best...


Accel 140008 E Core Electronic Super Coil 42K Volts | eBay

304065 01-06-2016 10:06 AM

I wouldn't go near an e-core coil the specs are absolutely wrong.

Here is my compilation of coil data:

A lucky eBay find: NOS SWB Coil

Sunroof 01-06-2016 10:45 AM

Appreciate the data.

Bob
73.5T

dicklague 01-06-2016 10:59 AM

Best.....
102002 Daytona Sensors Ignition Coil CD 1 System | eBay

dicklague 01-06-2016 11:05 AM

Better.....
ProFire

PFC-M75, CD Ignition I ran one of these for years with Bosch CDI and it was great. I still have it if anyone is interested in purchase. Switched to Daytona CD1 coil that came with kit.

dicklague 01-06-2016 11:06 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1452110786.gif
This is the NOLOGY COIL. The bracket fits right on the studs on the fan mount.

Larrybrook 01-06-2016 01:41 PM

A picture says a thousand words...
 
Lets see how they look mounted...

dicklague 01-06-2016 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larrybrook (Post 8946404)
Lets see how they look mounted...

I care how they work. E coils have been great for me. the Nology coil was great with the stock ignition, the other Daytona coil matches my CDI and has been flawless.

LakeCleElum 01-06-2016 04:04 PM

John Walker would know. When I did the MSD and MS coil, we had to change the rotor.....He picked up a common one at a local FLAP store....I thought still had the box with the part number, but no cigar....

emac 01-06-2016 05:03 PM

dicklague

Sent you a pm
Ernie 81sc

wwest 01-06-2016 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 8946117)
I wouldn't go near an e-core coil the specs are absolutely wrong.

Here is my compilation of coil data:

A lucky eBay find: NOS SWB Coil

Which specs?

Jonny H 01-07-2016 02:17 PM

I can't give an absolute yes or no to the OPs question as I haven't personally tested an MSD coil.

The CDI box and coil, although separate parts, are part of the same circuit so they are matched at design time. If the coil is changed to a different type with different characteristics, this could result in excess heat being generated in either the coil or the box. In extreme cases, the CDI output circuitry could be destroyed.

This is why most aftermarket ignitions require that you also use their coils.

You need to compare the MSD and original Bosch coil specifications for primary resistance, inductance and number of turns. See whether they are in the same ballpark.

wwest 01-07-2016 03:37 PM

In both cases the not unsubstantial energy left in the magnetic field post plug firing will be returned to the "charge" capacitor.

(page 43, "-100")

"I" core: That 60% energy level loss due to magnetic field "leakage" will be dissipated as HEAT with in the coil structure.

(Page 48)

http://www.worldphaco.net/uploads/CAPACITIVE_DISCHARGE_IGNITION_vs_MAGNETIC_DISCHARG E_IGNITION..pdf

wwest 01-07-2016 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 8948008)
I can't give an absolute yes or no to the OPs question as I haven't personally tested an MSD coil.

The CDI box and coil, although separate parts, are part of the same circuit so they are matched at design time. If the coil is changed to a different type with different characteristics, this could result in excess heat being generated in either the coil or the box. In extreme cases, the CDI output circuitry could be destroyed.

This is why most aftermarket ignitions require that you also use their coils.

You need to compare the MSD and original Bosch coil specifications for primary resistance, inductance and number of turns. See whether they are in the same ballpark.

"..excess heat...."

How, where...?? The primary components affecting the coil, or being effected by the coil, are reactive, very low circuit resistance to dissipate energy as heat. Plus moving from ANY "I" core coil to an "E & I" would obviously reduce spark energy loss substantially

"..aftermarket... ignitions require..."

Read: COILS

http://www.msdignition.com/uploadedFiles/MSDIgnitioncom/Products/Ignitions/6420_instructions.pdf

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/sum-850610.pdf

Jonny H 01-07-2016 11:23 PM

^ Ok, feel free to stuff any old coil in there then. It doesn't matter what the designer of the circuit intended the CDI circuit to drive. A few turns of wire round an old shoe will do and is cheap and easy to make. Wire coat hangers make great ignition leads as well and you can insulate them with tape and chewing gum.

Remember, Porsche really didn't know what they were doing when they designed this stuff. It can all be replaced with homemade equipment or shoddy crap made in China and it will be absolutely fine! Trust me, I read it on the Internet!

uwanna 01-08-2016 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 8948541)
^ Ok, feel free to stuff any old coil in there then. It doesn't matter what the designer of the circuit intended the CDI circuit to drive. A few turns of wire round an old shoe will do and is cheap and easy to make. Wire coat hangers make great ignition leads as well and you can insulate them with tape and chewing gum.

Remember, Porsche really didn't know what they were doing when they designed this stuff. It can all be replaced with homemade equipment or shoddy crap made in China and it will be absolutely fine! Trust me, I read it on the Internet!

GREAT RESPONSE!! WWEST is kinda like the 14yr old adolescent who can tell you everything there is to know about sex because he's researched it on the internet, but has never experienced it! LOL

wwest 01-08-2016 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny H (Post 8948541)
^ Ok, feel free to stuff any old coil in there then. It doesn't matter what the designer of the circuit intended the CDI circuit to drive. A few turns of wire round an old shoe will do and is cheap and easy to make. Wire coat hangers make great ignition leads as well and you can insulate them with tape and chewing gum.

Remember, Porsche really didn't know what they were doing when they designed this stuff. It can all be replaced with homemade equipment or shoddy crap made in China and it will be absolutely fine! Trust me, I read it on the Internet!

Neither of the 2 installation guides I linked suggested taking the issue to such great extremes.

Having trouble eating crow..??


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