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What Story Do These Sparkplugs Tell?
My 3.2 sat all winter with a 1/2 tank of stabilized gas. When I drove it last week it ran like it had one dead cylinder. A bottle of Techron, some fresh gas and a new cap and rotor improved things but now she feels like there’s one weak cylinder vs one dead one. I pulled the plugs tonight and found that #5 was wet with gas, the others, if I’m interpreting them correctly, seem to be running lean, but I don’t trust my plug-reading skills. Would very much appreciate some opinions and some suggestions about how a plug could get gas-fouled.
Also noted: #6 has some kind of hairy looking fuzz on it! I cleaned them all up and re-gapped them, and while she’s idling smoother it still doesn’t feel quite right. Next step may be to get a new set of plugs though these were new when I redid the top end and put new rings in it about 4k miles ago. Thanks in advance for thoughts! GK ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Check that #5 actually sparks when it's supposed to (the wear on the center electrode suggests that it used to work). If it does then then suspect will be an open injector. All the others look good.
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I would suspect the plug lead; measure its resistance and compare with others. You'll need to disconnect it at the distributor end. But could be the plug; I have had new plugs that have turned out to be faulty right from the start. You could also try swapping plugs on, say 5 and 6 and see if the fault moves. Could also swap plugs leads but one test at a time.
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I'd inspect the inside of the distributor cap for wear as well while you're at it
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you did not mention what are those plugs ?? japanese what?why not use WR7DC plugs....
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I did do that and I happened to have a new cap on hand. The old one had normal wear but I swapped it out anyway. Not sure if that made a difference or if it was putting fresh gas and a bottle of Techron in that helped smooth it out.
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I think your plugs look a little lean too, except # 5. Did you replace the O2 sensor when rebuilt?
Best of luck, Rahl
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Prolly NGK BPR5ES; about 1 heat range hot for a typical 3.2
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Ah; pic on #1 looks like 5 . . . .
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i just do not like NGK plugs ..period ,..never ever i had a problem with the Bosch or Beru plugs...
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In 50+ years I've never had an issue w/NGKs, ymmv
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good to know..i don`t like them anyway....german car with japan plugs;-)
But it makes you wonder who makes those plugs these days..I have seen NGK from Romania , Bosh From Russia, from Israel and India....hardly any from Germany.. Who actually makes plugs in USA?? Ivan
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Regardless, I’m not driving the car until I get this sorted out. Thanks to all for the feedback, much appreciated.
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Update: I pulled the right-side fuel rail and checked injectors 4, 5 and 6. They all opened and closed properly on the bench using my makeshift fuel-injector-bench-tester. So fuel delivery seemed to be OK.
I swapped out the #5 spark plug with an old Nippondenso plug, part of a set that was installed by the PO just before I bought the car and which had about 2k miles on them until I did the top-end project and put the stock-spec NGKs in. The car now runs great, any signs of a weak or dead cylinder are gone, she’s super-smooth running again. I can cruise down the road in 1st gear at idle with nary a bump or a surge. No more chuffing in the exhaust on decel. So I’m left to surmise that the #5 plug went bad somehow, perhaps by becoming gas-soaked?. I thought that a plug going bad from being gas or oil-fouled was an old wive’s tale, but is it possible that a bath in semi-stale gas killed the spark plug? Anyhow, I’ll be driving the car regularly (first stop, get a replacement NGK plug) and we’ll see how long the new #5 plug lives underneath an injector with a suspicious reputation. After it runs a while I’ll see if the plugs still show a lean condition. Thanks fellow Pelicans for your suggestions.
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I am not saying they are best for the 3.2 as I only recently acquired the car and haven't done much work on it (yet). I'll start with going factory in the 911 unless there is a reason to do something different. |
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