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I'm assuming this is a factory CDI ignition? In CDI the coil acts as a step up transformer and NOT a storage inductive device. I don't think the MSD coil was intended for CDI, I could be wrong but no matter I suggest you go back to the stock coil. It's possible that the MSD is simply pulling to much current from the CDI box.
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Any one of these, with the Pertronix being the best choice, will work better than the msd:
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will have less peak current. The spark duration will be a little longer, but the peak voltage will be the same i.e. assuming the turns ratio is about the same - 100:1. Remember: In most cases an inductive discharge ignition coil can be used in a CDI application, but a CDI type coil can't be used in an inductive discharge type of ignition. |
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Plus no other data, e.g. turns ratio. |
Dave,
This shows the data for that coil PerTronix Flame-Thrower Ignition Coils 40511 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing The coil shows 11mH inductance 3 ohm primary Quote:
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when the accuracy is probably valid to only one decimal place? And 11mh is way too much even for an old points ignition system, i.e. not a good replacement coil! |
Dave,
The stock 3.2L and 964 coil is Bosch part # 0221118322 would you happen to have the specs for this coil? I have 3 of these black coils and 1 silver one, I've measured the following with ohm meter: Primary - 0.6ohms Secondary - 6000 ohms I assume a 100:1 turn ratio? I've also seen ref to 3.8-4.0 mH? Do you have any formal detailed specs for the coil? or can you confirm the above info? Thanks. Quote:
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The Bosch TCI value should be the same for both the 3.2 & 964. I haven't verified those values provided, though. Your resistive values you measured seem to agree with the Bosch TCI values on that website. |
Thanks for the link that helps.
I noticed the 993 coil spec at 3.1mH vs the TCI spec at 3.6mH I know folks have used 993 coils with the 3.2L setup. This data indicates you would be likely over driving the 993 coil if used in the 3.2L? Once again thanks. Quote:
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As long as you still use resistive HV wire and plugs I would encourage switching to a non-resistive rotor. Buy a can of Kool-spray at Radio Shack and the next time the system quits spray the CDI to cool it down. If spraying the CDI doesn't work.... When my '78 did this I used a light spray from a garden hose to isolate the failure to the CDI. |
What does TCI stand for?
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You just qualified for my ignore list, a FIRST! |
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This is all I have to measure inductance.
50 year old precision capacitor...yeah right. Now I've got to go buy 6 D cells. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1454954285.jpg |
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in this thread, e.g. 8/12/16 volts. The 3.2 DME ECU current limit would limit the current if the 993 coil saturated, i.e. because of lower inductance. |
Holy Crap... That driver dissipates some power
Hey Sal what am I missing here?
4 mSec dwell ??? The green trace is the current through a 3.6 mH inductor. System voltage is 13.5 The red trace is the instantaneous power in the driver. (106 W Peak???) The integral of the red trace is 184.36 mJ At 900 RPM idle that works out to 8.3 Watts (22.22 mSec)3-4 mH doesn't make that much difference. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1454962530.jpg |
Rick,
I'm not sure about the inductance of that coil, which is why I asked. What I am sure about is: 1- that the DME activates the coil for a target of 4ms 2- when I bench test the coil it indicates that's the peak saturation point for that coil. Those 2 tests are for certain. How did you come up with the graph? Let's work backwards with your graph: how many mH would be required to have the saturation (peak current) occur at 4ms? Does that make sense? As I said I've never seen a formal Bosch spec for the coil, that's why I bench test to figure out saturation points. Quote:
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Rick,
I found this calculator Inductor Current and Maximum Power Calculator It says a 7mH coil would charge to 8Amps at 14v in 4ms, I think the 3.6mH inductance number may be incorrect? |
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