Unable to find the country code
 

Hello everyone,

Since 7 months, I'm a proud owner of a 1984 911 targa, black on black..

So far, this forum has offered me all of the answers I have searched for... But lately I've had trouble finding the country code for my car.

If any of you have any ideas as to where I can find it, or why it is not present in my vin sticker, I would appreciate

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Thanks

Possibly because it is a ROW car that went into many markets, and was not country specific.
Perhaps this is a basic specification, and only cars with enhanced specification needed country specific equipment & thus the country code.

See if you can find a similar sticker somewhere else on the car.

It would be C##

There was not a country code for every country. Country codes existed for countries that had special requirements for certain specifications that the basic ROW car would not meet. These countries varied over the years. The USA, Canada, Japan, France, Australia and Saudi Arabia come to mind as countries that had enough differences to have their own specification. There were years that there were two specifications for US cars; one for California and one for the other 49 states.

It sounds likely that your car may have been originally sold in a country that had no special requirements.

JR

And Switzerland.

Swiss cars often had their own special tag, which was added by the Swiss importer, so those cars can often be easily identified.

See the attached photo, for an example:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1468946509.jpg

I suppose you have already looked through the stamps in the service book, correct?

JR

JR, your PM acct is full, so I emailed you.

Thanks for your replies; highly appreciated!

Unfortunately; I don't have the original books.
However I have some bills and the carfax.. Which led me to reconstruct the history:

The car was imported in the US soon after it was produced, spent some 15 years or so in California and then in New York.
1 and a half year ago it was reimported back in Europe. And that were I bought it (I'm living in Italy)..

Here are some of the other stickers

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1468957483.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1468957546.jpg

Isn't the code for other country C99?

Thanks again!

If it helps the "2351" on the sticker next to 114 is the dealer code where it was sold.

The "114" may be the code for the distributor. You might try to locate a copy of the dealer service booklet that was placed in the cars delivered there. It might have a the dealer codes listed.

JR

The 114 refers to the year of production the 4 being 84

So it's a greymarket car that was returned to Europe. Going to be hard to pin down where this one started life.

It's a 'ROW' car
 

On your VIN Compliance decal you can see that it was built on the 11th of '83.
The 1st VIN letter "W" tells you that it was manufactured in Germany

2nd letter "P" states that the manufacture was Porsche.

3rd "O" states that is a sports car

*Note #4,5,6 - ZZZ, show that it is a European/rest of the world -aka- ROW car.

9th "Z" is for European.

10th, an "E", signify's the model year is 1984.

11th character, a "S", meaning that it was assembled at Stuttgart.

So being that it is a ROW car there is no specific country code such as Canada or the USA, which would be shown with the characters "AA" or say Japan would have a "J"

I hope that this helps you understand your VIN a bit better.

I just though that "by default" it would have a "C##" but I guess the car was meant for exportation..

Where do you see the dealer code? I can't see any "2351" anywhere :)

Have you encounter other car without the country code? Would be curious to know how often it happened.

Thanks for your replies; awesome forum!

It was intended for sale in a country that didn't require any significant deviation from the basic ROW specifications. That could have been any of several countries. My personal guess is that it was first sold in Germany. Maybe you'll find out for sure, maybe not. I would not say you could automatically assume it was intended for export from Germany.

The 2351 is on the first line of the decal.

JR

Well, beside satisfying my curiosity; I wanted to match the books' language to the origin of the car..

Anyway; thanks again for the help!

I have the same three Zs. Sold in Germany and private import to the US. Drive it like you stole it.

The car was produced for West Germany. I have a dealer code, but can't figure out who it was. I don't ha e a list of 80's European/German dealers. (Country code on the options label is 116)
Sent you a PM.
Tom

Hi...As a matter of interest, what article have you read advises, that as a ROW car, that it was sold in Germany, and that 116 is the Country code? Also, which numbers on the label are the dealers code? I would be most interested to know of your reference info.

BTW, being that a 'RëL' posted the original question, is this his car that you are referring to or is this your vehicle?

Thanks in advance!

Thanks to Tom; I figured out where my car is from: C00; Germany!

Makes sense for the car' history: was made for Germany, but imported by a private dealer to the US.

I guess Porsche doesn't always put the German country code for domestic cars..

Thanks again!

Hey guys...I'm confused. ROW cars, as previously stated, don't have any country code e.g. ROW - Rest of World..

Would you mind explaining to me, and others, how you came about thinking that your cars country code of 116, and including COO, was somehow a dealer or a Country e.g. Germany?... Why I ask is that your VIN clearly states that it is a ROW car that was built in Stuttgart.

After owning three 911's, since 1980, I would really be interested in the info you are referencing your info from.

Thanks!

I'm still on the fence about some of these codes. There used to be a distributor code that went along with the dealer code. You could argue that it was a sort of country code, in the sense that most countries probably had just one importer or distributor. That may not have been the case in all countries.

Being that the distributor code was usually paired with the dealer code, my assumption would have been that the 114 was the distributor code in this case, not the 116.

JR

I'm thinking this car was delivered through Otto Glockler in Frankfurt / Main.

Could be wrong but we'll see...

JR

I'm not sure either about the distributor code, but from the paper Tom gave me, it clearly states that my car is for the German market (C00).

Probably for some cars (like mine) the country code wasn't specified, being "ROW". However still made for a dedicated country. I speculate based on the fact that the country code list includes different countries inside "ROW" with their own code. ex: C05 France, C07 Italy. But there are both within "ROW".

There were minor differences in the specs for France and Italy. The things that come to mind have to do with lighting. Some of this may also revolve around the language used for the manuals and some of the labeling.

JR

The other thing that the 114 2351 might represent is the production sequence number. I researched all of this a long time ago and I just can't remember the details.

The 116 001 may relate to "Fahrg Nr." which I think translates to chassis number. This may relate to the sales order code for a 911 targa. I think the sales order number for a targa was 911640.

Like I said, it's been too many years...

JR

Hi...What was the source of the paper/info that 'Tom' gave to you? I'm genuienly just interested in 'Tom's info as I never knew that the 'Rest of (the) World cars had any sort of country of destination code, let alone dealer code, other than on the paper work that is stuck on a side window of all new cars. You have just stated, "I speculate" - "based on the fact?":confused: - "that the country code list include countries inside ROW"

I'm looking forward to finding out to where 'Tom' obtained his info from.

Thanks in advance

Here a site with all the codes. The Code C.. are more a specific equipment code required for a particular country, "Ausstattung" being equipment. From the list you can see that even California had its own code C03...anyway enjoy the list
Porsche Ausstattungscodes

Thanks for the link!

BTW, where would the decal be located so as to be able to see if the car happened to have a country code on it?

Thanks in advance!

Typically the "C" codes are on the equipment sticker under the front hood. It will be on the Lower part of the sticker with the rest of the equipment. As you can see here the C00 is located with the equipment. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1469511498.png

I haven't had a look at the decals under my hood for some time. I must have a closer look at all of them.

Thanks!

The information "Tom" gave him was taken from a PIWIS report specific to the car. This has more info on it than is shown on the options code label.
Tom

You can download a PIWIS report on an '84?

JR

Thanks Tom...So do you mean that a Porsche service department, when running a PIWIS diagnostic test on 911's that have a DMC - ECU, can provide the country and dealership codes? :)

I can only confirm that in the US that info is available on a PIWIS identification report. Far be it for me to predict what Porsche makes available in other countries.
Tom

Hi Tom...Interesting. The next time I have the car into the Porsche shop that I use here in Vancouver - Weissach's - I'm going to ask them to have a look into my DME/ECU to see what codes that it has within it.

Thanks again for the info!

PS - If you check out Weissack's site, within a moment, the page will start to scroll. They have some interesting scenes
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