>Don't forget, you will also need to shave the rain gutters.

Where these shaved on the CTR or ...

RUF offers a product called Aerodynamic Aid? A RUF design for the windshield pillars in polyurethane RIM material. I've attached a picture for reference.



The oil filler was simply for easy access. If you do this mod never let someone else take your car for a ride... mistake it for the gas filler and things get ugly. :)

Could this be the reason for the rear quarter oil filler....hummm

Souk,

Very nice... any more CTR engine pictures?

Si possible, faites faire celà par le "sorcier" Aloïs Ruf, et voila le résultat :
 

I got that last picture from a website in France...ran a search..I wonder if the guy knows about Pelican? I hope he doesn't mine me posting pics of his ride. (it is admiration that forces me to commit such a sin ;) , please forgive me)

Notice the subject line on this post (I pasted from his page). My French isn't so great, but it appears he has appropriately refered to Alois Ruf.

http://911carrera.free.fr/dossiers/ctr/

This thread is quite timely, I'm looking at purchasing a set of CTR front and rear bumper caps. So from those with experience who makes a good product, I don't want to have to spend hours getting these things to fit like parts on a Porsche should just to save a few bucks, however the quote I got from Ruf for:
Light weight front kit for narrow body 1560.00 US $
Light weight rear kit with slots 1630.00 US $
seems a bit steep.

Thanks
Todd

I've been researching prices and quality (mostly through previous postings and internet or magazine adds). And yes, that quote is high, but you are getting it from Ruf.

The fiberglass parts, as reported by others who have done this, will require fitting and prep for paint. The Ruf parts may require less fitting and prep work, and they are probably the plastic material.

How about I broker a group buy from one of the manufacturers/venders? Who is interested?

You must be serious in adding your name to the list for a group buy or my offers will lack leverage. Send me e-mail or post here ( soukus@comcast.net ).

Souk
I'd definately be interested in a group buy, the RUF parts are fibreglass as well, the lower valance portion that you can buy to use with the existing bumper is PU.

Todd

Souk,

Thanks for the great link.... nice pics.

I'd be game give a month tho until we get our BONUS! should have it at the end of next month! hahaha but yes that would be great!

EricSmileWavy

Just thouhght I would throw in a pic from the newer YB.

Here's the small rubber spoiler from another angle:

http://911carrera.free.fr/dossiers/ctr/ctr03.jpg


Damn that silver car looks good..... I really shouldn't be looking at such pictures. It makes me want to spend money :rolleyes: Whoever posted that car in the first place is to blame if my bank account goes empty ;) :D

Mikkel, I'll take the blame, but I blame you for posting the pictures of the Danish Porsche gathering in which there was a picture of that white one from the Cargraphics catalog. So we're even, now whose bank account will need help sooner ;)

From the picture link in Mikkels last post, it looks like two standard turn signal lenses/glasses are mounted next to each other. Is this what Ruf did?

Yes, those are the two standard lights for the US version.

How bout seats for the CTR upgrade?

This is a picture from that french site:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/ctr-seats.jpg

And from parts catalog at the German RUF site. this is Sport Seat left side part number R64 521 003 00 RUF:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/Ruf Seats.jpg

I'm shure these are big bucks from RUF. But I have found a german seat manufacturer called Koenig that produces a seat K5000 that looks exactly like the Ruf, and I'm pretty shure that Koenig makes the seats for RUF. The cost in Germany is starting at EUR 448 ($470):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/Koenig-sitze.gif

Its available with our without "holes" for a 5 point harness.

Check it out at their German site

Or the US importer

I think tis is a nice sporty seat without being too racey.

So far I have four interested parties for a group buy....

Anyone who has brokered a group buy in the past and can offer tips or advise come on down. I have negotiated larger dollar deals at work, but that was usually with more leverage than I might have in this case, so any experiences you can share will be helpful.

aseem, the seats look good...thanks

An because I want to keep you guys interested, look at this pretty little red head being polished...

Sweet!!!!!! Again, does anybody know if that ruf style bumper is available for a widebody???

I have not seen any widebodies with the Ruf conversions in my searches. Sorry, I can't offer anything, but I will ask the various manufacturers for you when I talk to them.

Souk,
I WILL go in on the deal .. but you have to give me a Month to get the BONUS thet will pay for it ., but I REALLY like the bulk buy deal .. I think It will work.. But I can't swing it right not this month.. would you think about waiting a month .. if not I understand. just asking really.
Eric.
78SCSmileWavy

Ruf does make the bumper caps for wide body cars, not sure if any of the aftermarket guys do though.
Check out
http://www.weissach.com/
or
http://www.ruf-automobile.de

Todd

A few more shots of the bumers..
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...ner%20shot.jpg [img]

Eric, I will start poking around this Friday, but I can't see why a vender/mfg wouldn't extend the deal to you if your purchase is counted as part of the initial group. I'll make sure this is considered in the negotiations.

I will post general information as soon as it becomes available, but I want to keep terms confidential as I think MFG's will appreciate it.

Shipping will be considered too, when possible. One example may be...If a few sets can be shipped to one location to save cost, great. That is if there are parties within a decent drive of each other. Such a good way for Pelicanites to meet, don't you think?

If you want specifics ($$$) e-mail me for any aspect of any deal that you don't see posted here. I'm trying to give folks more time to decide and (as if this thread hasn't been kicked to the top enough) folks to read the thread to develop more interest.

I will try to set up a time to meet or visit with one of the MFGs close to me to determine quality and potentially a deal. I think the earliest I can go by is next Friday. I have to move everything out of our old house this weekend so we can close the sale next week .

Thanks all for your interest.

Here is another pic...you recognize the gent in the middle???

oops.. try againhttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...l%CTR@Knox.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...ner%20shot.jpg

johncj8989, are you looking for the CTR style for wide front fenders??????

Yes Souk,
I want in on the deal...
I would ask Bill V. about where he got his I like hte quality look of his. I remember him saying they were good . I think BW .. In O'Fallen, IL

PLease keep me in the know ...
Thanks Souk.


Eric Mckenna
78SC

O'fallon is on the road trip destination.

If I can get them to warm up to the idea of a group buy. Otherwise it will be what I can get via e-mail or phone call.

I have one only NLA original yellowbird rubber spoiler and gasket $200.00+S/H Email me at www.piedogger@aol.com

piedogger, you have PM.

Here's another pic with round brake cooling air intakes.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/mem373_pic1.jpg

I remember seeing the wide body CTR caps advertised on exellence but I can't remember who it was? I am pretty sure it was not Better Boddies, so it is probably either MA Shaw or AIR?

Mikkel, That is an excellent picture. I was wondering how a ducktail might look on a CTR look.

Do you know anything about the round cooling ducts?

Souk, do you have more pictures of the white CTR conversion you posted to start this thread.

Boost, I have some from other angles, but they are not tight shots. I think Zamir posted them on the thread that Mikkel started...run a search..otherwise I will post them when I get home.

Perhaps someone with a Cargraphic catalog will scan and post the pictures from the catalog. I requested a catalog, but was told it is revison...si I'll have to wait, but the catalog may not include that car.

Souk,
Ok, been watching this thread for a couple days. Now that I see the french silver coupe, I'm in.
I would like to be in on the group buy. Let me know what's going on.
Thanks

An the list keeps growing. I have some Rennlisters on board as well, so keep you fingers crossed for a great deal.

And yes, that Frenchmen with the silver CTR is alucky man...

(Man I hope this works)

I promised more pictures of the white car (not great, but it's the best I can do):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...hics Ruf 3.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...hics Ruf 2.jpg


So far there are seven that have expressed interest in a group buy. I will send you an e-mail.

Here ya go guys.. check this bad boy out.. If the color was just a bit.. well if it were only Viper green!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/eric3.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/eric2.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/eric1.jpg

SWEET huh!!!!

Eric McKenna
78SC

Regardinig Ruf CTRs and flares, as well as the rear fender vents-or lack of.... and Ruf body parts. In the early-mid 90s I spent silly piles of money and time building what would be as close as possible to a California legal CTR. In a nutshell, there was no way, with the technoligy available in the early 90s, to duplicate one. I have first hand experience here so, here goes.

1- ALL authentic CTRs have, as a basic component, Ruf CTR flares. These are exactly 1" wider than SC/Carrera flares. To use these, you have to either expensively modify your existing rockers or purchase the specific CTR rockers [had I to do again, it would be cheaper to buy the expensive Ruf parts]. The rear bumper is also different for a genuine CTR and the parts made in USA are for SC/Carrera flares. This 1" difference makes a much much bigger difference on fitting components than you may think. The funny part is that the differnce is very subtle and unless you are parked very close to a stock SC/Carrera few people will notice. I cannot tell you how many times I had guys at Porsche specific events study my car and comment that they did not realize that Ruf 10x17s would fit under stock Carrera flares......

2-CTR rear bumper/side panels: The CTR used twin turbos and elegantly mounted the 'chargers on the sides of the engine and ran the air straight into the intercoolers which were, indeed, fitted into large openings on each side of the engine compartment It made the engine compartment wonderfully clean and easy to work on.

The first version of the CTR had the aero ducting above the rear flares[I think ugly] to get air moving through the side intercoolers. The later design used those extra vents on the "bumper" panels to suck air out and give adequate flow through the intercoolers. Buyers could order their cars as desired throughout production.

The bottom center vents helped evacuate air out from the under/rear of the car and was common to all CTRs. These were first seen on the Porsche factory prototype 930 in 1974.

If you look carefully, you will notice that the factory CTR front end has a rubber lip firmly attached to the bottom. You could optionally use factory fog lights/grilles/or the taped round duct for front brake cooling. The rubber lip made condiderable differene at serious speeds. None of the replica front ends have provision for this. I have had discussion with a notable supplier but it is felt that most buyers are after "the look" and do not want to pay extra for the genuine aero superiority

Also, Ruf used the stock Carrera rear engine lid. It was far cleaner and neater AND provided less drag- but at a loss of 100lb of downforce compared to a Factory 930 tail. If you look at the side profile of a CTR compared to a Factory 930, you will probably agree that the CTR has a much cleaner and aero look. The bulge for the intercooler and the built up rubber side stakes on the 930 rear adds considerable bulk to the back end. As the intercoolers were on the sides of the engine compartment, there was no need for the extra bulk. If you look...really... carefully you may notice that the CTR had a slight forward rake at speed. This probably helped that smaller tail to provide a bit more rear downforce. Either way it definitely made the cars look great.

The CTRs top speed secrets? Excellent and well thought out aerodynamics, low frontal area [look how big that piggish 959 is by comparison!!], and last,.... but certainly not least.... Herr Ruf very definitely understates his HP figures. Last, no one has noticed the CTR mirrors and the very suble shaving of the rain gutters? [You have to have a well integrated roll cage if you do this!] Both make a differnce to drag and reduce frontal area. He also supplies small inserts that can be glued into the front of existing rain gutters to help lower drag. These are straight copies of 935 bits.

If you think that these low drag pieces do not make *that* much difference you are incorrect. I have had the opportunity to try a variety of 930s at higher speeds. The REAL difference comes in starting at about 140. At 150, the difference is just astounding. FYI- a factory 930 with all the stock body parts becomes noticeably slowed by all the drag at about 140. Up to this point they go pretty well. A narrow body 930 [yes, they are rare but they actually exist] using SC/Carrera body as a base is noticeably slowed at about 150-160. The Ruf... It was really a matter of running out of RPMs, coming up on traffic [you would be shocked at how quickly this happens when you nail it a high speeds on a flat terrain with absolutely no visible traffic], or just running out of nerve.... Another subject we know little of here is that there are still no tires that withstand a constant speed over 200. People running the Nevada open road races can attest to this. Tire blow outs are the constant fear.

The authentic CTR pieces vs the present aftermarket. The Ruf parts are very high quality pieces. A close inspection of these compared to your aftermarket items is revealing. The Ruf pieces fit almost 100% perfectly. The quality of the glass, the fitment inside for the alll of the different light fixtures is well designed and substancial...and definitely time consuming to make. None of the aftermarket pieces is anywhere near the quality/detail work/robustness. [I presently have examples of the aftermarket pieces and they look nice but are not even in the same catagory as far as quality. Think Fiat vs Porsche.]

The genuine Ruf CTR is a definite animal. It is a barely steetable race car. It is NOT a comfy crusing machine. It is intended for one purpose only, to be as fast and responsive as possible. It still has performance levels that would worry the very best preening new supercars. I would own one in a second if I could figure out how to legally drive on on the streets here in California. [And don't bother with suggestions. Every option has been looked at- repeatedly- over the years. I am aware of how to get one here and registered... but there is no ...legal.... way one would be able to drive it, in its intended configuration on the streets here.]

BTW: You sometimes find beautiful examples of these cars appear in Europe for between $85-160k US. The big reason for the price variation is that 50% were built from bodies-in-white and have entirely Ruf vin numbers and the other 50% were built from existing SC/Carreras after the Factory ran out of bare chassis to supply and have Porsche vins with suplemental Ruf vins. People with big money want the all-Ruf cars. People like me don't give and damn and would just love the all Ruf bear of a perfromance car!

Even the replica bits make the cars look much nicer and cleaner. Don't stop playing with them!

Godspeed all

John Rice

356 Speedster/911 total bastard hot rod
73 RS/74 RSR ex-racer-still in race trim...bastard too
74 Carrera-not ruined yet [uhh, probably because I don't have it yet!]
79 930 Fact. Lt.weight Swiss/Euro Hillclimb champ when new. Street car.
new Audi allroad = MY opinion of the Cayenne

John Rice


Absolutely fascinating article! Thanks very much for sharing your knowledge of these cars. I'm fascinated by them, and yes, I had a very hard time understanding the rear flares. Clearly not 930, but not my Carrera size..eventually, I assumed they must be Carrera sized. I guess RUF really did tweak about everything they could on those cars to maximize their performance.
Thanks again.