Race Car Body Work/Pricing, I'm clueless.... Need advice.

[deputydog95]

So I got torpedoed in the race car at VIR last weekend. Not happy about that...

Anyway, right rear fender is pretty bent up. My race shop subs out the work.
Gave me some quotes to fix the fender, delete the sunroof, paint parts of the car, or do a whole respray.

I'm clueless.

Are there any guidelines for pricing?

For example...

$1k to fix the rear fender and paint it.
$500 to do a sunroof delete.
$3k to fix some rust on the car, fix the fender, delete the sunroof and respray the whole thing the same color.

This is obviously going to be race car quality, not concourse.

Does this seem reasonable?

[nathanbs]

Seems super cheap

[deputydog95]

Thanks for the feedback.

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[Tippy]

To me, the fender and sunroof delete are backwards pricing wise, but yes, sounds like a good price for the work.

[FrenchToast]

Extremely reasonable. Judging by the pricing it wasn't a bad hit.

If it really was a bad hit, that price sounds a little too low.

Someone should ensure the frame is not bent and within factory spec.

If the entire roofskin is being removed, the chassis must be appropriately braced before and after the process. If there is a rollcage that may provide some bracing, but it still doesn't brace the pillars unless you have them gussetted in. Professional should know all of this, and far more as well.

However the price reflects a panel just being fiberglassed in, not removal of the skin.

There isn't really a guideline for pricing. Too many variables: rust, dents, prior work, framework, metalwork, etc. It is really a case-by-case basis.

[deputydog95]

It for sure could have been worse... Here's a couple pics.

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[deputydog95]

Originally Posted by Tippy

To me, the fender and sunroof delete are backwards pricing wise, but yes, sounds like a good price for the work.

Bear in mind there's no headliner and the sunroof is currently just sealed in somehow. Thought process was having it welded in seams ground down, and then painted over. Looks pretty crappy right now. Inside isn't really relevant.

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[deputydog95]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Extremely reasonable. Judging by the pricing it wasn't a bad hit.

If it really was a bad hit, that price sounds a little too low.

Someone should ensure the frame is not bent and within factory spec.

If the entire roofskin is being removed, the chassis must be appropriately braced before and after the process. If there is a rollcage that may provide some bracing, but it still doesn't brace the pillars unless you have them gussetted in. Professional should know all of this, and far more as well.

However the price reflects a panel just being fiberglassed in, not removal of the skin.

There isn't really a guideline for pricing. Too many variables: rust, dents, prior work, framework, metalwork, etc. It is really a case-by-case basis.

It's already been on the lift and inspected. All cosmetic as far as we can tell at this point. Plus a wheel of course....

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[FrenchToast]

I just noticed your side script! Ha. What does it say, Grann....? Granny?

Good to see you are ok.

Seems like a light hit, you lucked out.

However, the the frame should be checked to make sure it is straight. Edit: glad to hear it is still correct. If the door and engine lid open and shut as normal, that is a good sign (but, for reference, does not always ensure straightness).

Seems like the wheel took a lot of the hit. Inspect all the suspension components. Bananas, spring plates, torsion tube, attachment points, etc.

If the frame is still correct, seems like a good price. The fender isn't too difficult to repair as it is not sandwiched / boxed.

I have seen people just weld the panel in. You need to ensure there is still enough weld to hold it in (after it is ground down).

Oh, and don't get into a fight with the guy who bashed you. I've heard some horror stories about fights at club races..

[Matt Monson]

Seems about right.

[Tippy]

Originally Posted by deputydog95

Bear in mind there's no headliner and the sunroof is currently just sealed in somehow. Thought process was having it welded in seams ground down, and then painted over. Looks pretty crappy right now. Inside isn't really relevant.

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Ah, I see. Pricing sounds good to me.

Sounds like you aren't getting the typical Porsche tax on this one?

[deputydog95]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

I just noticed your side script! Ha. What does it say, Grann....? Granny?

Good to see you are ok.

Seems like a light hit, you lucked out.

However, the the frame should be checked to make sure it is straight. Edit: glad to hear it is still correct. If the door and engine lid open and shut as normal, that is a good sign (but, for reference, does not always ensure straightness).

Seems like the wheel took a lot of the hit. Inspect all the suspension components. Bananas, spring plates, torsion tube, attachment points, etc.

If the frame is still correct, seems like a good price. The fender isn't too difficult to repair as it is not sandwiched / boxed.

I have seen people just weld the panel in. You need to ensure there is still enough weld to hold it in (after it is ground down).

Oh, and don't get into a fight with the guy who bashed you. I've heard some horror stories about fights at club races..

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Yes, could have been much worse. Took about 10 mins for the tow truck and safety guys to get there. I was dreading to see how bad it was going to be....

No fights in the paddock. I know the other driver. Good guy, just made a funky decision in the moment.

Doors and decklid open and close as normal. I think the wheel took the brunt of it. Race shop has had it on the lift and everything looks ok to them.

They said the wheel might even be salvagable with a new outer half. They said the center and inside half look ok. The outer obviously folded over....

So for $3k they're going reshape the fender (not replace it), delete the sunroof. respray the car (same color) with the windows out, and fix the rust in the inner rear fenders and door jams. The car has been previously hit in the same spot so at least it's not a new damanage location

Money I didn't budget to spend, but as long as he's going to paint the roof and rear quarter, might as well fix the rust and spray the whole thing. At least it will be one shade of red now.

I have video of the incident if you guys want to see it....

[FrenchToast]

Originally Posted by deputydog95

They said the wheel might even be salvagable with a new outer half. They said the center and inside half look ok. The outer obviously folded over....

Possible. But even if there is not a visible crack there could be an internal crack. I would replace it. Mount it on the wall as a memento, unless you want/can have it X-rayed.

Originally Posted by deputydog95

So for $3k they're going reshape the fender (not replace it), delete the sunroof. respray the car (same color) with the windows out, and fix the rust in the inner rear fenders and door jams. The car has been previously hit in the same spot so at least it's not a new damanage location

Reshaping is usually the best option whenever it is possible and won't affect structure. I imagine the previous hit wasn't to the frame either. Otherwise I would be worried about fatigued metal.

[deputydog95]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Possible. But even if there is not a visible crack there could be an internal crack. I would replace it. Mount it on the wall as a memento, unless you want/can have it X-rayed.



Reshaping is usually the best option whenever it is possible and won't affect structure. I imagine the previous hit wasn't to the frame either. Otherwise I would be worried about fatigued metal.

It's going back to the manufacturer for inspection. If it's even remotely iffy then I'll trash it.

Yeah the previous hit was cosmetic as well. If I remember correctly they beat the fender out and kept racing lol.

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[Dan J]

That price seems way too low for me but I do live in Ct

[Cory M]

seems really cheap to me too

[deputydog95]

Bear in mind this is race car quality paint/body work. Car isn't going to pebble Beach :-)

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[nathanbs]

problem is what one guy thinks is ok as far as a corner to cut may not be whats ok to you and vice versa.

[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by deputydog95

Bear in mind this is race car quality paint/body work. Car isn't going to pebble Beach :-)

It's still pretty low pricing!