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Baldwin oil filters

What opinion does anyone have of these filters? They make one that fits my 2.7 and it's right on the shelf at my local Kendall oil supplier.

Baldwin makes a lot of filters for heavy equipment, and the one that fits my car is cross-referenced for use on Deutz air-cooled diesel ag equipment.

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Why use anything else besides Mahle?
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+1 stick with Mahle or PAG.

I tried the WIX/Napa Gold, it filter too well to restrict flow resulting in higher temps.
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Baldwin is regarded as the very best in the heavy equipment world (which is a very demanding group) That being said I'd agree with the other guys and use the Purolater/Mahle
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Couldn't find Mahle/Puralator in my local auto stores

Did alot of research on bob the oil guy forums and I got this.. Excellent Filter

Oil Filter
Manufacturer: HASTINGS FILTERS/Baldwin
Part Number: LF404
Catalog Description: Oil Filter
Weight: 1lbs.




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Baldwins are made by WIX and, like everything else, come in several states of tune. WIX makes an excellent oil filter.
Make sure the pressure relief valve pressure is the same as the factory filter. Your jobber should have that number.
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Baldwins are made by WIX and, like everything else, come in several states of tune. WIX makes an excellent oil filter.
Make sure the pressure relief valve pressure is the same as the factory filter. Your jobber should have that number.
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R u sure about that??

I think that both are tops in construction quality and moderate filtration efficiency.

Baldwin filters are identical to the Hastings, and NAPA-gold & Carquest Premium filters are identical to the WIX. Also consider Purolator Premium Plus.


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Baldwin is all that any respecting Ferrari mechanic runs on pre 90s Ferrari's. B253 to be exact. I have spoken with Baldwin engineers and reviewed the burst capacity and filter element capacity of these filters which is undoubtedly the highest in the industry. Filtration capacity does not so much interest me as much as pressure capacity which seems to be the nail in the coffin for many a filter. With Ferrari race motors, I have seen filters collapse on the inside. Never have I seen this happen with Baldwin. Because they mainly deal with 200-300psi average psi semi truck filters, car filters for stuff like this is trivial at best.

Baldwin filters are NOT Hastings filters. Baldwin is Baldwin and no one else. Hastings is related to the company but their filter line is different and mainly for truck applications anyway.
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I am sure those other filters are good, but I know the Mahle works. Why not just do what I do, buy them in bulk from Pelican along with the aluminum sealing washers for the drain plugs? I just keep them on the shelf until I need one to change oil.
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R u sure about that??
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that was the case about 15 years ago - I've been out of the loop for a while.
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I put up this post in the first place because the guy down the street, where I get my Kendall oil as I said, sells Baldwins and I like to support the local merchant. I buy plenty other stuff from our host, so it's not about saving a couple bucks.

I did a search and looked at other threads on Baldwin, but was not really satisfied that there were objective comments made. The Baldwin specified for my car has an anti-drainback valve and a 30 PSID by-pass valve. Is this number appropriate? And, they are solidly made, as others have said.

By the way, Baldwin makes their own products in factories world wide. Baldwin bought Hastings some years ago, but Hastings are focused on other applications.

I have some Mahles on the shelf and will use them, but I like to be informed about viable alternatives. Besides, I like the cool red color ;<)
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Very high quality filters. I have been using them for years. On the 911 I will order form our host if I need something else shipped but I have also used Baldwin with no problems.

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Both companies are in Kearney, NE 68847..

There are numerous filter tests, evaluations, pics--on Baldwin & Hastings...On all tests done/shown on (Bob the oil guy forums).. on the oil filter provided, they were identical.

Yes--there are some differences on certain applications..

For application for 911 --Hastings & Baldwin BT292 are identical




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Baldwin is all that any respecting Ferrari mechanic runs on pre 90s Ferrari's. B253 to be exact.
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Many owners/mechanics use Baldwin. But, the factory uses UFI oil filters, and many "respecting" Ferrari mechanics and owners do the same.
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UFI is hit and miss with their batches of Ferrari filters they make, but most of the time they are just fine although I have seen utter crap which has leaked. Baldwin has always been very solid with their products. All cars since the 355 use Purflux filters which are both very good and quite expensive. The factory 'Classiche' program uses, 'gasp' Fram filters. But don't get me started on Ferrari's Classiche program and cars with incorrect engines being Classiche certified not to mention they have their collective heads in the tails regarding many of their own vintage racing cars.
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The fact is, most ferrari mechanics, and pretty much all factory authorized dealership service departments, still use UFI on pre-90 Ferraris.

So your statement that "Baldwin is all that any respecting Ferrari mechanic runs on pre 90s Ferrari's. B253 to be exact" is not correct.

It may be your opinion of what mechanics and factory authorized service departments should do, but it isn't what they actually do.

(I'm not saying Balwins are not good filters, they seem to be.)

I'd still use the factory oil filters on my 911, though. They are proven, we know how they are internally configured (the oil flow path, relief spring setup, etc), and there is no technical reason to not use them.
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The fact is, most ferrari mechanics, and pretty much all factory authorized dealership service departments, still use UFI on pre-90 Ferraris.

So your statement that "Baldwin is all that any respecting Ferrari mechanic runs on pre 90s Ferrari's. B253 to be exact" is not correct.

It may be your opinion of what mechanics and factory authorized service departments should do, but it isn't what they actually do.

(I'm not saying Balwins are not good filters, they seem to be.)

I'd still use the factory oil filters on my 911, though. They are proven, we know how they are internally configured (the oil flow path, relief spring setup, etc), and there is no technical reason to not use them.

Sorry to say this, but there are almost no Ferrari dealer mechanics in this country who know a thing about pre 90s Ferrari's. I would not trust a dealer mechanic to wrench on a TR, Daytona, 308, Dino, 275 or the like as far as I could throw them. It is also a well known fact that all major engine work for older Ferrari's at Lake Forrest Sports cars Ferrari dealer in Chicago area goes to John in Indiana to have done right because the most seasoned mechanic at that dealer has been there 5 years. Dealers are not what they used to be for older Ferrari's and are definitely not the best people to be working on an older Ferrari. Just ask Brian Crall or a number of other ludicrously experienced ex-dealer mechanics who now have amazing independent shops. Contact any dealer in the country and you will find their 'techs' are not really mechanics any longer. They are practically kids for the most part. Yes, the independents use UFI or Baldwin too but they are smart enough to know when a UFI looks like hell, which they occasionally do.
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I use Baldwin BT292 oil filter on my 3.2
I have never experienced any heating problems or any other problems due to the filter.

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