3.6 engines?

k9handler · 12-01-2002, 02:52 PM

Ok, I am working on the possibility of a 3.6 transplant...and I have a few questions. Late 964 or early 993...what's the major difference in these 3.6 motors? HP of each? Durability?
Thanks for any info.

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

Steve Timmins has a nice summary of the different flavors of 3.6 here about half way down the page.

k9handler · 12-01-2002, 03:47 PM

thanks,

the 964 seems to be the better...or smart choice.

dean · 12-01-2002, 04:51 PM

And Bill has one for sale

That was a freebie Bill

Eric Mckenna · 06:20 PM

Dean,
Yes Bill does have one for sale! but k9 is in Germany the Mother land!! He can buy his motor from Harald the guy that supplies Steve Timmins with his Motors.. Hey k9 buy a Euro 964 RS motor and slap it up in there!! that would be a SWEET!!!!!!! SET UP!!! them when ya get back to the states! I will buy it from ya! hahahahaha

I am sure Harald has conections to getting one... How is ole Germany treating ya...? I was stationed in Baumholder.( THE ROCK). not but 30 some odd minutes away from ya.. I use to go to the BX in K-Town & Ramstien becuase our PX sucked!!!! HAHAHAHA Keep safe Brother!

Eric Mckenna
78SC

dean · 12-01-2002, 06:16 PM

Woops, I was never a very good reader

Eric Mckenna · 12-01-2002, 06:19 PM

HAHAHAHA! I am by far worse at that! hahahah! He just moved there about 5 months ago.. he lived in New Mexico before.. he is in the Air Force.

Cheers, Eric Mckenna

dean · 12-01-2002, 06:24 PM

LOL

k9handler · 12-02-2002, 01:43 AM

Thanks Eric,

I was not being very specific with my questions because I am talking with Harald about the motors, and I had seen a previous post where it got kind of heated when the customer started discussing his situation on this board...and I want to work this deal with Harald. He did tell me he has several to incluce late 964, early 993 and a Varioram...so many choices.

So a Euro 964 RS...what's the specs on these Eric? My plan is to have Harald do it all...I am not too positive I could do it alone and I am sure he will take care of my baby.

Thanks again for the info.

Eric Mckenna · 12-02-2002, 04:05 AM

H.D.
I'll have to get the Spec's on teh 964 Euro RS.. It is a super Snappy Motor low grunt and High rev's!! It is a SWEET motor!. Ask Harlad if he could give ya the low down on them.. I believe he has a few of the RS motors in his own Cars.. He knows his stuff he is a great guy to deal with .. If he can't grab ya up a Euro RS them go with theVarioram motor..another NICE motor! I'd ask Harald what he could do for ya in teh means of a Euro spec 964 RS motor.... I plan on trying to smuggle one in to the US when i have the cash! hahahaha!

Good good H.D. I have thgis huge crap eating smile on my face thinking of your light weight car with that RS motor!! holy ****! what a ride that would be! If your going to go with a 3.6 ltr for sure run it by harald and see what he says..
but i'll see what I can do in the way of a spec on the 964 RS euro spec motor... It's a bad man!! i know that!

Be safe over there! brother.. enjoy the roads while ya can!
Later!
Eric

k9handler · 12-02-2002, 07:11 AM

Eric,
I sent Harald a couple emails, but after reading Bruce Anderson's book (sorry Wayne, but I have read your 101 projects

)and based on the reccomendation of Harald I am leaning torward the 993 motor w/chip. This will give me a solid base to work with, and the possibility of future upgrades is always possible. I am not going to be tracking the car like Jack, just a few autocross events and mainly street use. I really like the fact the valves are self adjusted so I will not have to mess with them and they are quiet...as Harald said you can hear engine noise!!!

Eric Mckenna · 12-02-2002, 07:47 AM

H.D.
Harals is right in the fact that it would be a easier motor to maintain for the most part for a do it D.I.Y.er Yes the Varioram is nice with it Self adjusting valves.. you really can't go wrong with it. man you should have a screamer with a chip and that motor.. LOOK OUT AUTOBAHN!!!!!!

man you are a lucky man! H.D.

Eric

john_colasante · 12-02-2002, 07:51 AM

Don't get too excited about a Carrera 2 RS motor. While they're nice they are almost identical to a USA Carrera 2 engine internally - things like pistons, compression, heads, cams are all the same. The higher output figure comes from blueprinting, exhaust and a modified CPU.

Eric Mckenna · 09:26 AM

You are right John, but i know the Euro Version SMOKES our US version like a cheap Cigar! hahahaha

I'd take ANY 3.6ltr at this time in the game..

Eric Mckenna
78SC

k9handler · 12-02-2002, 09:24 AM

point taken...but I am sure the ouput will be much greater than the current 2.7

Eric Mckenna · 12-02-2002, 09:29 AM

You bet it will H.D.!
just be careful brother with all hat new found horse power!

Eric Mckenna · 12-02-2002, 09:30 AM

H.D.
You may want to think about getting some more Tire up under there as well ya know.. that 3.6 is going to light the Skinnies OFF! if ya know what I mean

Eric

k9handler · 12-02-2002, 09:42 AM

that's for sure...
I am going to try and keep it as narrow as possible...so SC flares will prabably be as wide as I will go.

So then I will have to get wheels...does this ever stop?

Below is what I would like for an end result...just Yellow instead.

k9handler · 12-02-2002, 09:44 AM

better pic

pbs911 · pbs911's Garage

It is hard to argue that a 3.6 transplant is healthy mod. I have committed to it as well, but have a tought time on deciding which motor to go with. I plan on a daily driver with 4-6 DE events. I gave up on POC class restrictions since my desire for more daily driving HP outweights the desire to participate in time trial events.

Here are some of the issues I have not been able to settle before plopping down the cash:

Dr. Timmons web site states that the crank on the 964 motor is actually more substantial than the 993 and the factory team used the former in its race motors. Reading BA's Hanfdbook I think this is confusing. BA says that the 993 the rods and pistons were actually lightened to give the crank assembly a lighter weight compared to the 993. I believe BA says the actually crankshafts are the same.

Another issue with the difference in cranks, probably esthetic, is the harmonic balancer on the 964 motor. It used a double pulley on the crank to decrease noise. BA states that with the decreased weight on the 993 crank assembly that the double pully/harmonic balancer is no longer necessary. Has anyone heard of issues of running the single crank pully on the 964 motor? Could there be potential problems with a lightened flywheel/clutch assembly and the 964 motor?

One final question: The Varioram motor runs about $2-3K more than the 95 993 and $3-4K more than the 964. For the extra money it seems that it would be better to go with the 95 993 or the 964 and slap on a new set of 3.8 pistons/cylnders and possibly more aggressive cams. Wouldn't this provide a better bang for the buck with an increase in displacement/hp/torque throught the RPMs instead of limited such increases to the higher RPMs utilized by the Varioram? The 3.8 95 993/or 964 motor would cost about the same as a Varioram 3.6 motor. Any thoughts on this?