glue on flares

[Bill Verburg]

I thought some of you might be interested in a PCA E class 911RS lite weight project, particularly the glue on flares.







The glue on flares go on very nicely and look to be easy to finish. ~1" of overlap.

[Slider79SC]

So is gluing on the flares the prefered method? I am about to install the flares on my RSR project and we were going to use the screw and welding method.

[IROC]

My SC flares were glued on about 6 years ago and I haven't had any problems with them since. I'd recommend it over welding. The joint is probably just as strong and you don't have the issue of welder competence and the resulting potential for corrosion from the heat-affected zone.

My 2 pfennig,

Mike

[Bill Verburg]

Seems to be preferred to me to me, It's neat, quick, no warping, no corrosion issues, seems plenty strong, finish work will be easy as far as I can tell.

[rattlsnak]

My last two widebody jobs were glued on. This one over 6 years ago and no problems whatsoever. When they were first put on, after drying for two days over the weekend, (before paint or filling bodywork) we put a jack and a block of wood under the rear flare and lifted that corner of the car off the ground. Id say its sturdy!

[Bill Verburg]

rattlsnak, was that a stripped chassis? The one in my picture is ~600# I can easily lift either end by myself. 4 people are all that is needed to move it around.

I do agree w/ you, the flares are solidly attached.

[dhoward]

What type of glue?

[dd74]

You're car's really nice! What year is it? What modifications have you done to it?

[rattlsnak]

Bill,, it was not a stripped chassis,. It had engine, wheels, etc. and all!

dhoward, I couldnt tell you part number of the glue, all I remember is it was a 3M product.

dd74, you'll have to do a search on me for more details, but basically it was a 78 SC that became a C2Turbo, complete with drivetrain, big reds brakes, wheels, etc. all from a 92 C2Turbo... To many things to list.. I have sold the car to a member here on the board, and now I have a 993 that is getting a huge list added to it as we speak.
Marc

[TimT]

the screw and welding method.
If your are going to weld on flares you shouldnt need to use screws

duct tape can be used to locate the flare until you tack it.....

I suppose if you have to humour the flare to its position a screw would work, if you dont have some clecos


Bill, it appears that is steel/steel bonding?

If it is an E class car why not use glass flares and distribute your weight bonus to where you can use it better?

[Bill Verburg]

TimT,
Not my car, the owner is transfering usable pieces from his old car which was wrecked beyond salvation. He does have some interesting pieces like oem steel '73 RS rear bumper ends that will be replaced w/ f/g. The whole front end will also be f/g We were going through the rear bmper pieces yesterday. It is amazing how heavy the stock 73 bumper is w/ all of the trim. I swear that my 76 Carrera oem wasn't much heavier.

The target weight is ~2060 The feeling is that the car will come in well under anyway.

Yes, steel/steel bond, I have no idea what the cement was. The body shop did that along w/ the bead blasting and self etching epoxy pimer

[dean]

The glue is availible at autobody paint stores. It has been around for a while and works well.

[RickM]

Here's an interesting article on replacing body panels...including the use of adhesives (long but informative). Compares the "emerging" technologies of panel adhesives and resistance spot welding.

http://www.autobodypro.com/tektips/articles/panel.htm

The adhesive mentioned earlier is 3M Automix.

http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_aftermarket/node_GSNCT3JT87gs/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSLPLPKL4Xge/bgel_M1MQQDCT0Hbl/gvel_P14FZGJL4Zgl/theme_us_aad_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

[Chad M 11]

I have just started striping my 1975 911s for restoration. I want to go back with a widebody carrera look with steel flares. Thanks to Bill Verburg's reply to my thread on Rennlist I found this thread at Pelican. I intend to have the car acid dipped and use the epoxy method for attaching the new flares.

My question is this; Are there any step by step Tech articles or publications that detail a widebody conversion? I bought the Haynes 911 restoration manual (quickly devoured by my "wifes" Doberman puppy) and the Haynes repair manual. I am more concerned with steps for cutting the OEM fenders and fitting the new.

I want to do as much of this project as I can without professional assistance. I have wanted an old Porsche to tinker with since college and it seems obsurd to send it out to a body shop every few months when the object was a to have a hobby to begin with.

Any assistance is very apreciated ---and thanks again Bill

[911mike]

Anyone got some step-by-steps they want to share? I'd prefer bonding vs weld if I can help it. Appreciate the info.

[Series900]

glue is fast, but if damaged later there are some consequences, read thread for explanation
Glue on flares: Who has done this and what have been your results??

[911mike]

What is the proper method of bonding the flare? Does a step have to be created in the body to match the thickness of the flare? Or is there another method where not much filler is used? Please advise.

[cnielsen]

Does this body glue work the same for fiberglass flares or just for metal to metal?

[RickM]

911mike, you can do it either with a bead (step) or without. I think the preferred way is with a bead of up to 1 1/2 inch width. Several different tools can be used to make the bead on the panel edge.

Cnielsen, they absolutely make a bonding adhesive for FG to Steel. Works pretty much the same way.

[Joe Bob]

Just picked up some stuff for the 356 Outlaw. It's called Duramax 4125, got it at the body supply shop.