911 1988 windshiled seal

[proporsche]

Hi boys and girl....what is your best reco..to install windshield seal with no trim so the upper corners fit in nicely? Windshield is late 1989-94
There are some suggestions like putting a little string on corners between the seal and the glass.What is your take on this?

thanx

[Flojo]

pre install trim in seal on shield and install.
remember to not sit the shield way down low on the frame, rather envisage it sitting fully centered top to bottom.
now install shield the common way (one person extrior gently holding in place/pressing, the other person inside pulling the shield wire all around).

this should work right away in 99% of all attempts, when done properly.

only when noticing that seal just does not want to sit well in top corners, then adress solution i.e. supporting wire in corners.

any way, when done seal it all around with würth seal mass, a) inside the shiel to seal and b) seal between frame.

[proporsche]

Hi Flo..i usually do the seal by my self no problem there.I just install mine but not happy yet,so i will do it again.I got the original Porsche seal which is very nice made even the corners are pre-bend.
But i still have a little on top corner space about 2-3 mm.

The reason i`m asking is..i got the 3m auto bending compound on advice from some member here.But before i used it i want to pick a brain of the pelicans, how to best clear the corners

thanx for your advice too;-)

Ivan

[Flojo]

ok, unfortunately I cannot support regarding install-modifications, as I guess I was just lucky 3 times now in perfectly installing the shield the calssic way with no gapping.

but 2-3mm just sound like the shield could go up a little further and you're good (?).

[proporsche]

yes 2-3mm.....i will try that too... i think i will try the method ,when windshield is out pushing the seal towards to the corners.
Thanx

Ivan

[KTL]

So just making sure I understand, you have the later 964 sized glass that you're using? That means you MUST use the later trim-less 964 seal. Therefore you have no trim to install into the seal and it's simply a matter of making sure you do a good job of positioning the seal around the glass to match the corners of the seal and glass.

I have found that the seal seems to sit lower in the bottom of the windshield opening. That makes the "flap" of the seal hang over the bottom of the opening more than it hangs over the top. So you should position the windshield to make the top fit more tightly as you're setting it down into place

Also I strongly recommend you clean the new seal of the white sticky compound that is on it. This is a mold-release agent and it allows the rubber to come out of the mold without sticking during manufacturing. The problem is that the release agent gets all over your hands and the glass when you are handling & installing the windshield. It's a real mess to clean up after the fact, both inside and outside the glass.

After the glass is set in place and you have pulled the sealing lip into position, I recommend injecting some glazing compound (non-hardening paste) around the periphery of the seal between the seal and the body. This prevents water intrusion and prevents water from pooling under the seal in the frame. The glazing compound is very easy to apply via a typical caulk gun.

[proporsche]

Hi Kevin..i was waiting for this...thanx
My surface is completely clean i have been practicing using earlier windshield and now later model 964 no trim in seal.
I found the later windshield is a little nicer to look trough...

Ok so I ended up with 964 windshield and the correct Porsche delivered seal.Once i put it in it was actually pretty easy..like i said i do the by my self all the times.
thanx a lot for the input....i got to fill it with 3m glass compound sealer..i just forgot who told me about it?

Ivan

will follow with picture later

here is like you said hanging on lower part..look

[KTL]

That looks not too bad Ivan. How does the upper corner look at the top of the windshield?

I really need to stop being a wimp and buy a 964 windshield for my next installation. I really don't like the older style with the aluminum trim because it is SO sensitive to bending. If anybody has pounded on the seal to aid in pushing the glass home, the trim is all lumpy bumpy from the fist pounding.

[proporsche]

Hi Kevin this is my left top (never mind the black stuf still have to clean it) It is after i use nail to pull it out, eventually it slips back down.That is the reason for doing it again soon.


right top is much better but again 2-3 mm up will help


I understand about your idea to change.I have had the original but 1/2 year after i got it my 911 ,hockey stick broke my windshield( i guess to exited aftr a game)...so i went to the 964 ...
It is very important to use Porsche seal not anything else -i have tried them all ..

I will do this again this weekend and lets hope the last time for little bit;-)

Ivan

[KTL]

I did a seal replacement on my '86 last spring and the top flap looks just like yours does. The flap just barely falls short of covering the corner of the channel.

Thankfully my car is black so you barely even notice it? Keep us posted with how you result after giving it another try.

I just noticed your signature. 488,397 miles? Wow. Absolutely freaking wow.........

[proporsche]

you i will let you know how it went.
Yup the beast has been around the world;-) i still not get how i parked in Venice or Santa Monica for 18 years on the streets;-) The only thing was stolen when i lived at the Pier in Santa Monica was, my car cover 3x .It was the all-weather kind, so the homeless always stole it .I met once a guy who had jacket made out my car cover;-)

Ivan
here i was parked for 15 years

[KTL]

Originally Posted by proporsche

I met once a guy who had jacket made out my car cover;-)

I'm pretty darn sure that's the funniest thing i'm going to hear all day!

[proporsche]

Believe me or not it was a semi-nice jacket and even the Porsche logo was centered on the back,i knew my cover because the p was scratched once;-)
I was actually admiring the work then being pist off;-)I thought "good for you dude"

Ivan

[KTL]

Originally Posted by proporsche

Believe me or not it was a semi-nice jacket and even the Porsche logo was centered on the back,i knew my cover because the p was scratched once;-)
I was actually admiring the work then being pist off;-)I thought "good for you dude"

Ivan

I stand before you corrected. ^^^ THAT is the funniest thing I heard today!!!!!

You're a good man, turning the negative into a positive ("good for you dude") for a person less fortunate than you.

I'll raise a beer in your honor this evening, Ivan. Cheers!

[Flojo]

if I compare the bottom and top corner pictures, it seems to me that the unit sits too low.
it bulges in bottom corner, so it lack position in top.

[proporsche]

flo yes as Kevin suggested i will do exactly this ..let`s hope the last time;-)
thanx

Ivan

Kevin yup... i have been in similar situation when i move to the US of A...200 buck in pocket and living in Roxbury Ghetto in Boston..so i know;-)

cheers

One more idea....I always start to cross at the top with the string pulling... should i start at the bottom for change?What do you think?

[Autoban]

I have it on my list to replace the windshield on my '86. First time I hear to use a 964 windshield and seal to get rid of the metal trim. You lose a little of the original look, but it sounds like it's worth it.

Juergen

[proporsche]

Hi Juergen
I know original is original.But if you have your 911 for live why not a little change...I love it ,the view
out is a little different...
this is what you get with the 964 windshield
Ivan

[proporsche]

Hi Boys..so today i took of the windshield again ,clean what needed to be clean.I have tried the method to start with the string on the bottom but after 3 tries i went back to my original installation, what i know,start on top.
So, thanx to my German helper(German wife) i was able to install it and i gain 2 mm on top.
Pretty happy with the outcome and tomorrow goes in the 3M compound.

Oh ya ,i did use the oldtimer method ,hammer and wood to tip in the bottom corner the little lip...it helped a lot..
Kevin..now i can drive in the rain again;-)

Here are some pics
Ivan

[KTL]

Excellent!