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Toast 11-16-2003 12:43 PM

TyFenn,
Because the engine was exposed to water, the water will go down the intake runners into the cylinders. This will cause rings to rust to the cylinders, creating a pit in the cylinder. This results in poor ring sealing or broken rings when engine is turned over.

Fill cylinders with diesel fuel, let it sit for a couple of days, put two clutch bolts in fly wheel, place large bar between two bolts and Smack with a BFH. :) That should break it loose.

Have fun!

TyFenn 11-17-2003 06:38 AM

Check it out
 
Alright, I've got the 2.0 down to a long block, basically right?

Take a look at these pics.

Can you figure out what is holding this case together...still. I think I've got all, what, 28 of those case bolts off. I've heard, off of this forum, not to force the case but at this point...:confused:

Any suggestions on splitting this piece?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069083163.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069083192.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069083217.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069083244.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069083285.jpg

so anyway, that's it so far. sorry if the pics are a bit overkill but I figured this way might answer more questions in the longrun.

Thanks.

jamcleod 11-17-2003 06:48 AM

another seam of bolts/nuts on the bottom of the case

TyFenn 11-17-2003 06:53 AM

You know what, I didn't post that pic somehow.

I'll post it in a bit - I have to reduce the size.

TyFenn 11-17-2003 06:57 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069084614.jpg

not the best but...

Dave at Pelican Parts 11-17-2003 10:20 AM

2.0 pistons on a 1.7/1.8 crank will either stick out of the top of the cylinders, or they'll leave you with something like 1/8" of deck height. Not so good...

If you can't separate the case halves, you've missed a through-bolt. The one pic looks like you've found the one by the lifter bores. That's a tricky sucker sometimes, as is the one behind the flywheel. Looks like you got that one, though.

All I can say is, "keep looking"...

--DD

Jason Porter 11-17-2003 12:10 PM

I have no idea what's going on in your engine, but if it's been torn down before, maybe shuffle pins were installed. That can make splitting a case a hairy proposition. Just a thought, good luck...

Jason Porter 11-17-2003 12:18 PM

I've never seen it in a Type 4 engine, but you never know when some trigger happy VW guy might get an idea. And teener's do end up with a lot of VW guys working on them. Maybe it's because a 914 has some VW heritage mixed in there.

I doubt there's any shuffle pins in your engine, and I don't mean to worry you, just throwing obscure possibilities your way in an effort to help.

SteveStromberg 11-17-2003 03:51 PM

Is there a Black substance at the Seams? AKA Prematex?Steve

Jason Porter 11-17-2003 03:56 PM

What's up Steve?!?! I gotta call you man. The bug is turning yellow as we speak.

TyFenn 11-17-2003 03:58 PM

do you mean inbetween the case halves? if so, yes there does appear to be a black substance. It's not noticeable everywhere though.

so what's that mean - curtains?

EDIT: I can go look real quick to make sure.

SteveStromberg 11-17-2003 04:54 PM

It means that is going to be a bear to split the case. Steve

Jason Thats "Bills Bug". Bill was the WW2 P-51 pilot I got it from, you can still see the Pt. Mugu pass on the front bumper. Call me you know the number.

TyFenn 11-17-2003 05:01 PM

I've noticed.

SteveStromberg 11-17-2003 05:16 PM

Take a propane torch and heat the seam up. Not hot but very warm. then tap on the case halfs with a rubber mallet. You are trying to Fracture the bond. If you can get it to start to seperate then you can carefuly pry it apart. DO NOT PRY ON THE OIL TOWER IT WILL BREAK. Also try spraying some Acetone in the seam once you see cracks. This is going to take time, do not rush. Steve

TyFenn 11-18-2003 05:07 AM

Good tip.

I'll think I'll try the acetone route and then get the torch. Actually, I'll probably just grab the torch since I might need it for the (hold on, brainfart)...for the bolts that hold the heads to the cylinderand the cylinder to the case. I keep wanting to say lugnuts for some reason.

I must apologize, I just got up.

I'll follow up on how it works.

Thanks.

jamcleod 11-18-2003 05:13 AM

a tool called a case splitter is available. it is round looking and fits in the oil pump hole and pushes the case halves apart. of course it is no good unless all of the bolts and nuts holding the case halves together are removed.

Conrad W Peden 11-18-2003 04:20 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1069204820.jpg

this was the one i missed


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