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The bug engine is swapped!!!

Well, now that I'm back from my vacation, I can share the good news. The 1911cc Type 4 I built, with parts from Pelican, BTW, is in the car. It's pretty fast:D I'm happy, and so is the wife, it's no longer on a stand in our bedroom. Needless to say, I'll be happy to answer any questionsyou guys have about the conversion, the build process, etc. It's good to be back!

What did you start with? 1.8 case? what other parts did you have at the beginning of the process?

What kind of machine work did you have done? Head work? align boring? Anything else on the case?

What kind of injection/induction are you using now?

What kind of lifters? Cam?

And of course...

How much $$$ ?

Tony

Well, It was a 1.7 case from a totaled 914.

I re-used the crank and rods, since the car had only about 20,000 on it when it died. I replaced evrything else, with new parts, all the way down to the distributor shaft spring and distributor clamp. All new oil pressure springs, KS and Mahle bearings.

The case was align-bored to first oversize, all 13 or so oil galley plugs were drilled and tapped. Everything was statically and dynamically balanced. KB 96mm pistons, which we sell, call for me for prices. 1.8 heads w/44Weber IDFs. Match-ported intake and exhaust manifolds.

Mazda RX-7 oil cooler, fender mounted, as is the oil filter. Stainless braided lines for everything.

Cam is Web 86 equivalent from SCAT, with aluminum bolt-on gear, and lifters recommended to me by Jake Raby, without who's years of experience this would not have been as much a little monster.

Valves are 44x38, all set at .006", of course. 0.35"deck height, heads cc'ed at 54. 9:1 CR, nice and tight. 30mm blueprinted oil pump.

Holley 70-psi fuel pump, dropped off to 5-psi, for eternal durability. It's loud as heck though. The fuel pump sounds like someone turned on a vibrator, and stuck it in my front trunk. But, alas, this car was not built for anyone's comfort but my own, and squeaky urethane bushings w/Koni's at full stiff, and obnoxious fuel pumps don't bother me one bit.

In the werks right now is a titanium engine tin set-up being custom-made for me by a buddy who's a titanium metallurgist.

As for price, I can't say for certain at the moment. I can tell you that with shroud and exhaust, and full parts list. I've got over $5,000 in the engine. Like Jake says, he's not in this for the money, because if you do the engine right, it already costs a good bit, and most people won't pay 6500 or 7000 for a 1911cc air-cooled motor, but it's what I love, and what I wanted(2.7RSR not being allowed by the wife)

Basically, I love it, and will be for quite a while.

GREAT!!

That powerband is sweet and the idle is awesome with that cam... Glad you like it!

Thanks again Jake!

Also, I'd like to thank Otto, for sharing his tricks and secrets from 30+ years with me also.

You guys are a credit to good ol' boy mechanics the world over, and I really appreciate your open-minded, willingness to help out.

Hey Jason! Glad to see that you got it running. Our motors are almost the same. I'm running 40 idf's and a European E grind cam. 48x38 valves. I'll try to send you some pics of my 70. Maybe some video if possible. Good little motors...have fun dude! I'm taking it easy now cause I just got a speeding ticket off my record. CHP caught me doing 88 in a 65 in the Bug...I was just cruising too.

Late,

Eddie.

It pulls hard from the time the speedo is at zero, until after the needle is buried (90MPH), and I can tell you that I took my buddy for a ride yesterday, and he just said "holy $h!t, holy $h!t, holy $h!t. I'm glad you've got good brakes! This thing pulls like a small block":D

I couldn't be happier...unless maybe my wife lets me get that new gearbox I've been eyeing:)

Cool!! Sounds like my car. I'm running a 3.88 r/p with stock gears(PUP special $50/4 + years of use) and 205/70/15's on the back. It cruises 70mph at 3400-3500 rpms. But still has legs and rpms to get way past 90.

What exhaust are you running??

Late,

Eddie.

FAT Performance upright type 4 sedan exhaust. And yours?

Seriously, where are the pictures?

I don't know what you're thinking by not posting them.

RE: Seriously, where are the pictures?

LOL...I'll post some in a while. No worries.

I'm running shortend 411 J-tubes, bus extractor, and a Kadron glass pack. Damn, it's loud!! I need a Flowmaster...

Late,

Eddie.

For give the dirty nature of the car, but I haven't gotten it to the paint shop yet, so who cares:)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083260159.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083260192.jpg

Looks good Jason!!! I almost bought one of those shrouds. I know that it's not one of Jakes favorites. Does it have directional vanes for air flow?. It looks pretty damn cool though...hopefully it cools your motor efficiently.

Take care,

Eddie.

Just in time 'cause that type 1 sounded scarry and gagged me out driving behind you in rush hour traffic. congrats

thanks homey. how's the 914-8 doing?

new Edelbrock 650 is on teh way. the Holley 750 is dumping fuel like mad. fixed teh brakes, it stops now. tomorrow the BMW callipers get machined. I tuned the handling, no more tail wag....unless I stick my foot in it. Next time I come up, I want a ride in your new beast. Behave durring break-in period!

I am trying, but for a trailer park kid like yours truly, it ain't easy:D

I did have to run a 911SC today at lunch, just for kicks...I was very pleased.

you know that I know what you mean. power, speed....very addictive. I cant keep my foot out of this thing either

talk to ya'll tomorrow

Jason,

Do you plan to seal the engine compartment? If you don't it will run hot. If you do, Then the louvers in the body are not large enough to supply air to the fan and the carbs... It will also run hot and possibly rich as the cooling fan robs air from the carbs. You will have to kick the deck lid open @ the top or run a convertible deck led with louvers or punch additional louvers in the decklid. I cut three large holes behind the tag to get more air to the engine. Just 2 cents worth. I bet it is fun!

we never run into restrictive engine bays and negative effects with TIVs in bugs....

The engine is so heavily finned that it uses the cooling air very efficiently.

The vents in a bug were designed for the cfm intake of a type one cooling fan and a single 32mm carb I just dont see....never mind.

My 66 beetle has ZERO vents in the decklid, and my 2613cc TIV cooled just fine with a DTM... That was 5 years before I bought the company.

Never seen an issue.. The engines ability to shed heat, has more to do with the equation than anything else... One given amount of airflow does alot more cooling if the heat is dissipated from the engine faster..

Not even in a Speedster replica do we see the issues. They have way less airflow than a beetle.

I'm going to run extended deck lid hinges starting tomorrow, after my first oil change and valve adjustment.

Plus I've got a buddy who's going to make me a titanium heat shield for the engine compartment, just because of his interest in the project.

BTW Jake, thanks on the lifters! No problems at all up to this point...knock on wood!

So the 2613 uses no more CFM to pull @ 4000 rpms than a a stock carb...I am surprised that the vw engineers provide tha much head room in the air flow calculations...however, I can't argue with real world data.