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Something to chew on for Friday
Well, for those who think these are cheap cars, I can attest that they most certainly are not. Here is a list of my expenses to date. Caveat: I did minimal work myself, ergo most of the labor can be backed out (not transmission work though and probably not painting).
History is that the car was purchased as a completed conversion. PPI had it absolutely rust-free (thank god), with popping through the carbs, grinding in first, good paint and a nice interior, and some stupid 911 oil tank in the trunk. And the right rear fender needed to be pulled a bit, since the tire was rubbing. I liked the car and overpaid but figured maybe an additional 10K would make it perfect with an additional 2K/year upkeep. Um, I was wrong. I am still hoping on the upkeep though. Enjoy. SmileWavy ------------------------------------------- Vehicle: Purchase June 21, 2002 10,000.00 Shipping June 21, 2002 795.00 Service: Valley Eur Auto Ser July 25, 2002 431.91 Valley Eur Auto Ser July 25, 2002 2,209.47 Valley Eur Auto Ser July 25, 2002 971.35 Hairy Dog December 17, 2002 7,432.46 Hairy Dog June 6, 2003 3,549.01 Nacho’s Upholstery July 5, 2002 150.00 Hairy Dog October 9, 2003 1,230.44 Hairy Dog January 7, 2004 159.00 Chris Foley January 17, 2004 1,972.80 Hairy Dog January 29, 2004 1,183.53 Speedsport Tuning August 5, 2004 85.00 Speedsport Tuning August 23, 2004 3,308.60 Speedsport Tuning September 8, 2004 100.70 Chris Foley October 27, 2004 60.00 Speedsport Tuning November 8, 2004 1318.73 Bodywork: Post Road January 21, 2004 763.20 Post Road March 24, 2004 159.00 Post Road June 27, 2004 991.10 Post Road November 10, 2004 846.41 Post Road December 30, 2004 294.15 Parts: John Whetstone May 24, 2002 135.00 Shane Griffin May 24, 2002 14.40 S&S Locksmith May 25, 2002 7.50 Perfect Panels May 27, 2002 19.42 Timm Barth May 28, 2002 62.00 Timm Barth May 29, 2002 10.00 S&S Locksmith May 29, 2002 9.77 S&S Locksmith May 31, 2002 9.77 Daniel Moravec May 31, 2002 80.00 Glenn Sager June 4, 2002 18.50 Jeff Roberts June 6, 2002 375.00 Glenn Sager June 8, 2002 23.50 Greg Sweetman June 9, 2002 45.00 Paul Jacques June 11, 2002 78.01 Richard Masciana June 22, 2002 30.00 Cheryl Scheall June 26, 2002 29.75 Malcom Walker July 1, 2002 22.50 Paul Zeock July 12, 2002 26.55 Aase Sales July 15, 2002 34.00 Terry Wills August 2, 2002 45.70 Jeff Bowlsby August 14, 2002 19.35 Juan Mercado August 20, 2002 60.99 Ferd Magallanes August 26, 2002 26.50 Mike Allen August 26, 2002 70.14 Bridgett Butler August 28, 2002 41.00 Cyndi Calvillo August 30, 2002 37.01 Part Werks September 10, 02 124.98 Bill Roach September 12, 02 39.00 Part Werks September 14, 02 109.40 Part Werks September 17, 02 17.84 JoAnn Thompson September 25, 02 23.00 DC Automotive October, 2002 165.00 Brian Marshall October 16, 2002 52.00 Town Fair Tire October 12, 2002 564.77 Part Werks October 31, 2002 26.40 Part Werks November, 2002 658.00 Stephen Malm November 4, 2002 73.38 Part Werks November 5, 2002 83.20 Best Deal Parts November 6, 2002 32.00 Best Deal Parts November 15, 2002 148.90 Best Deal Parts November 6, 2002 32.00 William Ironside November 11, 2002 14.50 Automobile Atlanta November 14, 2002 24.51 Vincent Delgado November 14, 2002 41.00 Richard Holben November 18, 2002 24.75 John Rogers November 18, 2002 49.16 Jeff Awender December 30, 2002 50.00 Part Werks January 3, 2003 21.95 Robert Waple January 17, 2003 500.00 Pelican Parts January 21, 2003 25.48 Robert Waple January 23, 2003 22.71 Gerard Everette March 14, 2003 189.27 Racer Parts Whsl March 28, 2003 38.21 SW Stereo April, 2003 194.95 Performance Prod April 3, 2003 40.46 German Auto. Spec April 5, 2003 373.00 Thomas Emburg April 6, 2003 37.00 Paul Allen April 7, 2003 40.00 William Lee April 8, 2003 108.69 Part Werks April 9, 2003 34.35 Automobile Atlanta April 11, 2003 15.95 Glenn Stazak April 11, 2003 17.95 Mavis Tire April 12, 2003 42.38 Aaron Hues April 14, 2003 59.95 CARS April 17, 2003 45.66 Rob Ways April 19, 2003 47.50 Automobile Atlanta April 23, 2003 23.95 Craig Koon April 29, 2003 15.00 James Corrigan April 30, 2003 19.50 Bodo Schmidt May 13, 2003 10.00 Partsolver May 17, 2003 45.55 Wheel Enhancet May 19, 2003 1098.00 Part Werks May 22, 2003 80.98 Steven Kopp May 22, 2003 87.95 Steven Doyon June 1, 2003 96.00 Pelican Parts June 14, 2003 43.19 Jimmy Pitta July 9, 2003 1,067.00 Keny Myers July 12, 2003 13.00 Rolf Leed July 15, 2003 17.99 Pelican Parts July 17, 2003 43.58 Michael McLaughlan July 21, 2003 21.20 Jeff Bolwsby July 22, 2003 13.50 Jeff Bolwsby July 23, 2003 10.50 Francisco Paz July 23, 2003 502.00 AJ USA July 25, 2003 144.92 Part Werks July 26, 2003 14.80 David Buser July 27, 2003 7.00 Kevin Robertelli August 7, 2003 16.50 J West Engineering August 25, 2003 398.00 Pelican Parts August 26, 2003 20.10 Best Deal Parts September 13, 03 21.85 Best Deal Parts September 16, 03 21.85 Part Werks September 26, 03 24.40 Part Werks September 28, 03 24.40 Stable Energies October, 2003 628.91 Timothy Shuster October 1, 2003 119.25 Geoffrey Bartelmes October 2, 2003 25.00 Nailfoot’s Bargain October 14, 2003 106.94 Performance Prod October 16, 2003 128.47 Performance Prod October 16, 2003 88.95 David Milano October 22, 2003 17.99 Karl Ellzey October 23, 2003 19.00 Performance Prod October 24, 2003 199.96 Pelican Parts October 30, 2003 270.00 Quaife November, 2003 1,125.00 AutoZone November 2, 2003 34.96 Ben May November 9, 2003 39.30 David Brower November 9, 2003 99.00 John Snyder November 10, 2003 100.00 Pelican Parts November 11, 2003 583.54 Part Werks November 12, 2003 20.00 Bonny O’Brien November 16, 2003 80.97 Part Werks November 25, 2003 30.00 Hooked on Cars December 3, 2003 8.49 Pelican Parts December 11, 2003 109.19 Best Deal Parts December 31, 2003 351.53 J West Engineering January 3, 2004 163.75 Delta Auto January 10. 2004 42.07 Bill Maulding January 18, 2004 15.00 Tony Budash January 19, 2004 52.50 Precision Motion January 21, 2004 39.85 Jose Paternoster January 24, 2004 10.00 Stephen Sundlof February 3, 2004 17.27 Phillip Sparta February 4, 2004 53.95 Jerry Sugay February 11, 2004 13.50 J West Engineering February 15, 2004 7.35 Performance Prod February 19, 2004 98.90 Radio Shack February 21, 2004 18.89 Car Quest February 21, 2004 29.44 Christopher HallauerFebruary 27, 2004 114.00 Renee Daniels March 1, 2004 57.00 Rich McSweeney March 7, 2004 93.00 Stable Energies March 8, 2004 17.95 Jonathan Myers March 9, 2004 10.50 Superior Graphics March 10, 2004 50.40 Stable Energies March 11, 2004 98.60 Aase Sales March 13, 2004 256.00 Pelican Parts March 14, 2004 55.50 Automobile Atlanta March 15, 2004 37.99 Best Deal Parts March 27, 2004 270.60 Pelican Parts April 30, 2004 65.60 Bolles Chrysler June 1, 2004 47.04 Solotime June 22, 2004 31.75 Cyberspace Auto June 28, 2004 449.00 Cyberspace Auto June 28, 2004 663.00 Heidi Hatch July 20, 2004 195.00 Part Werks July 28, 2004 46.80 Heidi Hatch August 9, 2004 30.00 Heidi Hatch August 10, 2004 100.00 Part Werks August 11, 2004 395.00 SW Stereo August 13, 2004 175.00 Part Werks August 16, 2004 325.00 Pete Haak September 2, 2004 43.00 Stephane LeBlanc September 2, 2004 16.00 SW Stereo September 7, 2004 179.00 Heidi Hatch September 19, 04 42.50 Heidi Hatch September 25, 04 50.00 Mavis Tire October 16, 04 188.66 Part Werks October 19, 2004 22.70 Part Werks October 19, 2004 45.40 Dave Cafro October 23, 2004 250.00 Stable Energies October 29, 1994 628.91 AutoZone November 4, 2004 21.71 Automobile Atlanta December 22, 2004 300.00 Heidi Hatch December 23, 2004 330.00 Performance Prod January 17, 2005 134.90 Craig Laughlin February 10, 2005 60.00 |
Well, you've made me feel a little better. Misery loves company :)
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I couldn't even think of doing that....ignorance is bliss. right?
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You mean keeping a tally? Yes, ignorance is bliss. It was pretty disturbing to learn I broke 60K.
I think I better go get insurance on some agreed price. I am sure AMICA would give me 3000 if I wadded the thing. |
I learned that it is important to keep the reciepts, but I also learned, NEVER total them up. It is so disscouraging and only makes you feel bad. And, if your wife finds out, its all over. So for those of you doing restorations, remember this, keep the reciepts, but never total them up. Otherwise, its not that fun anymore.
It makes that 20k for Seans car look a lot more attractive too. You could not build a car like his for anywhere near that amount. Something else to think about. |
Have only had my car for 5 months and have a nice little pile of receipts,
They will never got together with my calculator. |
For that price you could have replaced everything on the car twice. My first impression is that someone took you to the cleaners.
What is hairy dog, and how did you spend $13 grand there? |
Suspension, brakes, engine work, steering, HEs, transmission, etc. You know, stuff. He is a good guy, they are our PCA tech fellas.
It would have been a bunch easier just to find a motasixta. |
Then again, you could have just ordered one from Porsche and it would have been about the same price. Probably would have taken as long too.
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Never total them up!!!!
Just the thought of the total cost for the restoration and upgrade of TWO 914s scares the hell out of me..... That total would be uglier than MikeZ's A$$........ |
That's alot of work done to one little car.
But one hell of a cover story for where the money really went. Hope it left a smile on your face. Hairy Dog? Cyberspace???? Can we all agree that the AA reciepts = one good screwing? |
They'll be time enough for counting....
All those with weak dispostions should turn away now. $58,085.11 |
Hey. I TOLD you it was 60K! Did you think I was KIDDING???
I know, I know. It's absurd. Hairy Dog = Hairy Dog And they are trustworthy. Honestly, AA was, in my experience, also. Cyberspace was for a pair of Sparco seats and tracks. And yeah, it puts a great big smile on my face. |
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DAMN.... You could buy a new 911 or Cayenne for that price. But then again, we are the type or people who actually know how to open the hood on our cars. I stopped and helped a lady in a Black Cayenne S yesterday on my way home. She had a flat, and didn't even know where the spare tire was kept, much less how to change it. |
I don't know. I think I would have spent $20k - $30k on an early model Boxster and $8k on a clean CA 914 2.0. $24k was classified as service, and although high, every classic car needs service.
Sounds like you have one damn nice 914 though! Any pics? |
When I bought my 914, it had a 3/4 inch pile of reciepts.
Now the pile is about 2.5 in thick. I have NOT compiled a cost per inch.:eek: |
No one believes me when I tell them my 914 cost more than my Boxster. Doing one of these cars right cost a lot of money... especially if you are paying for someone else's labor. In the end if the car lives up to your vision of it then it is worth it. You can't take it with you.
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Now see, that's exactly why I don't keep track of that type of thing. Ignorance can be bliss...
Thanks, Kevin |
The payback to all the work and money spent comes when you finish the car and you drive it.
Like Rick's Alien or Zois' Manfred, we each start with the same pallette, and we each create a unique work of automotive art that shows off our inner thoughts and hopes and dreams. We all cannot be automotive engineers, but we can be automotive customizers. What we end up with is priceless.... its a tribute to our dreams that we can touch and drive. Unlike the brand new Boxster or Corvette, there is no one out there with one exactly like it. And having a car that I can say "I built that" is worth more than a new Carrera GT or Ferrari F40. The owners of those cars show off their money, we show off our skills. |
Keep the paper work but never ever ever think about adding them all up..... Its a Bad Thing :(
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Those numbers are scary! Maybe that's why I'm single.......ya think!;) .......then again IF I had another income in the household I would be thinkin SIX !!:D
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The cost to a running car, which it was the day before, was more in hours than dollars. About 1000 hours. I won't mention the exact cost as he is selling it, but let's just say a lot of the asking price is for the six and the ancillaries. If anyone says I can't build a 914/4 ready for the track for around 10K, hand me the money and I'll show you a car 1000 hours later. AFA dreams, well I had a few wrapped up in the 914. But, what I've learned over time is, if you dream in one hand and crap in the other, one is sure to be full. |
60 K for a hobby ride..
I'v been trying to guess what Larry does for a living to allow such an extravegant lifestyle. :)
I've come up with a couple of ideas. A. Budget planner for the Goverment B. Procurement agent for the Pentagon C. NBA player D. Bill Gate's stock broker E Intellectual Property lawyer ;) (just jokin witch ya Larry...hope you ain''t offended none ) |
It's true, I give Bill stock pointers all the time. He never listens though.
In a month or two it will be nice enough that i will finally take some pics of the car. I figure I might as well. As far as the car, well, a divorce tends to make you look for diversions. I guess I needed a big diversion. |
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F. Pimp Just kidding Larry.;) |
A couple of years ago, I bought a '70T that the prior owner had converted to a widebody 2.8 RSR replica. The receipts that came with the car totalled about $2K less than I paid for the car. The receipts did not include his purchase of the 911 before the conversion nor labor (he is a mechanic that swapped labor).
Having both done conversions (i.e. the RSR), bought/sold conversions (i.e. 914-6GT based upon a '70 1.7), and various 914s used to feed a racecar, my experience has been that its usually cheaper to spend a bit more for a clean, mechanically sound car than the cheaper "fixer-upper". That is assuming that what you are buying is, or is close to, what you really want. Just my two-cents worth. Unfortunately, I also keep speadsheets on each of my vehicles. I try not to look at them too often - the totals add up pretty fast. |
Wow, $60k??? And I was feeling bad about have put about $16k into mine... It does tend to make a 914 owner never want to sell. The money and time we put into these cars will never be returned. My receipt pile is quiet large too. I don't think I will ever total it. It's not like I can use it a tax deduction. Sigh......
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Ya know smooth you just gave me an idea..... If my doctor could prescribe a 914 as an anti-depresiant maybe I could deduct it !:D |
Well $60k would be a depressant to me. Better make that appointment Schosh...Keep us posted. :)
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But to get back to $$ and the thread subject....the stuff ads up. I got the best prices I could....negotiated every price and swapped and traded did the install work myself with the help of a local 911 friend....I still will only break even at the asking price. BTW....1000 hours x $50/hr (this is a LOW shop rate)= $50K.... |
That's exactly right. I was going to ask (read, point out) the wage issue. If you do it yourself you do it for love. If you have no TIME to do it yourself, you have to pay someone shop rates. And it gets really costly, really quickly.
I think its worth it though. |
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