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Argeo 11-10-2005 05:00 AM

Thanks everyone for the responses. My thinking is that since I don't drive the 911 much and am also thinking that next year I would like to get more into auto crosses that a 914 might make a wise choice. My thinking is why not switch to a car that is better suited. I also think, though I could be wrong; that with the money I get for the 911, I should be able to pick up a really nice 914 and still have some money left over incase anything catastrophic happens.

Now this might sound really stupid and not to disrespect 914's but my other concern is the kick me factor a 911 has. I think if you parked a 914 and a 911 next to each other in a parking lot for an extended period of time, there is a good chance somebody will kick, punch or do something destructive to the 911. My car first being a 911 and secondly mexico blue I just don't feel safe parking it at a T station while I go to work for the day, it sticks out way too much. As a result, it sits in my garage for extended periods of time, sometimes weeks. I think the 914 would be much better suited for the occasional nice day drives to work, they just don't say kick me as much in my opinion.

Oh David, thanks for the offer. I will probably take you up on it.

Thanks,

David

PonchoBrew 11-10-2005 03:20 PM

"I think the 914 would be much better suited for the occasional nice day drives to work, they just don't say kick me as much in my opinion."

Exactly my thoughts, and one of the main reasons I bought a 914 instead of a 911. I really like being able to go to the store and not have to worry about putting the top back on or locking the doors.

Argeo 11-11-2005 09:29 AM

Now I just have to get my butt into a 914 to see if I like it.

David

AaronM 11-18-2005 10:28 AM

The heater in the 914 is terrible. Almost worthless.

The weather sealing didn't work all that well when it was new, and it works less well now. Most 914's, even good looking ones, leak at least a little when it rains.

The windshield wipers are toys, on "high" they're barely better than intermittant on modern cars.

The shifter is very vague, even on the later side-shift transaxles (though a short-shift kit and new bushings can do wonders).

The 914 is loud, the radio isn't all that useful over engine and road noise.

The 914 is a scary experience on a crowded freeway, a lot of other drivers don't see you.

The 914 is incredibly rust-prone. The line goes that they will rust if you drive them past a box of saltine crackers.

I love mine, and selling it was the biggest mistake I've made (but I bought her back, so it's all good now). But it's not a great daily driver, and definitely not a winter car.

trojanman 11-18-2005 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Argeo
Now I just have to get my butt into a 914 to see if I like it.

David

YOU'LL LOVE IT.

it's like driving a street legal go kart.

RandyLok 11-18-2005 10:59 AM

Aaron is right.

But I really enjoy daily driving my 914 all year. :)
It depends on how much you like your creature comforts.

I'm not sure I agree about the heater being worthless though. Mine will roast me out quickly on the coldest PNW days. If yours doesn't, it probably needs some work.

swl 11-18-2005 01:56 PM

Let me start by going on record as saying if you haven't dipped your tub in POR 15, any winter driving would be sacrilige.

Having said that I must confess that way back when I drove mine through 2 Ontario winters. Once in college, then once again 10 years later when we returned from BC. While on Vancouver Island I used it as a daily driver. Rarely snowed there but lots of rain (yeah I know, I know and I have a big hole in my floor to punish me for it). I have no memories at all of poor winter driving. Mind you I was young then and didn't know squat. But those big wheels and great balance just ate through the snow - just like a beatle - better really. The heating system, if intact, was 'sufficient' but nothing to write home about. I can believe that in the PNW the heater sucks. Toughest job a heater has to do is keep the fog off the windscreen in near freezing rain.

Where I agree with Aaron is the noise and the sucky radio. No question - this is an air cooled pushrod 4. Ain't no way to make it purr like a kitten. But with a modern sound system you can just crank it up and blow your hearing. Then the noise won't bother you.

Funny - I don't remember anything about the wipers being inefficient nor do I remember any leaks. But then again I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast.

I'm really looking forward to driving this beast again and see just how distorted my memories are. If I could only get the fricken thing to start!

M. Hendrix 11-18-2005 03:01 PM

Great daily driver.

The only time my current car has been down, is for engine swaps, coming up on three years, two more til a record.


M

David McLaughlin 11-18-2005 05:58 PM

In five years of ownership, this is the first time I've had a problem bad enough I can't drive the car.

AaronM 11-18-2005 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RandyLok
Aaron is right.

But I really enjoy daily driving my 914 all year. :)
It depends on how much you like your creature comforts.

I'm not sure I agree about the heater being worthless though. Mine will roast me out quickly on the coldest PNW days. If yours doesn't, it probably needs some work.

Seattle doesn't get "winter". It's just one long Autumn/Spring here.

I'm thinking of Ohio winters where the high for a day is 30 or lower. The 914's heater just doesn't keep up with that very well. It's fine for the 45 to 50 degree days that make up a Seattle "winter" but still not good for an Eastern cold snap.

I've been in Seattle two years now and have needed any but my lightest jackets. By this time back East one is usually starting to break out the long underwear and goosedown parka. You really can't make any comment on the 914's heat from experiences in Seattle's very mild climate.

AaronM 11-18-2005 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swl
Funny - I don't remember anything about the wipers being inefficient nor do I remember any leaks. But then again I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast.
Mine only leaked when sitting still. Water would "weep" in along the front and rear seals for the door windows. I would assume that a daily driver would be subjected to outdoor parking on a not-infrequent basis so I mentioned the leaking.

As for the wipers, for me I thought the maximum speed was pretty slow. The "low" setting on my daily driver ('95 Lincoln) has the wipers moving faster than the "high" setting on the 'teener. Then again, I noticed that even on the 924 so maybe it's a period thing and common to cars of that era.

RandyLok 11-18-2005 11:29 PM

Quote:

Seattle doesn't get "winter". It's just one long Autumn/Spring here.
I hear you. I'm so glad we don't have harsh winters. I'm especially glad we don't get our roads salted. Our mild climate makes it possible to drive my 914 all year long.

The night I bought my 914 and drove it home, it was 28 degrees in Lynnwood. Being new to the 914, I didn't yet know about the heater blower lever being located between the seats instead of on the dash with the other air controls... I had to roll the window down because it was too hot.
:D

M. Hendrix 11-19-2005 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
The "low" setting on my daily driver ('95 Lincoln) has the wipers moving faster than the "high" setting on the 'teener. Then again, I noticed that even on the 924 so maybe it's a period thing and common to cars of that era.

It didn't rain so hard when I was a kid, and the colors were different, before that last 300 hits of acid.


M

bryanf 11-23-2005 10:38 AM

I think it is a great daily driver. I've been driving mine for 11 years every day...I have a great commute over a windy two lane road (hwy 92) and our winters are very tame here in northern california...heater is fine for 40deg coldest days, wipers are horrible , but rainx makes it livable...the thing I miss the most is modern headlights...the brights on my honda pilot light are amazing.

...but there is nothing like blasting over 92 with the top off after a tough day at work...

AaronM 11-23-2005 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bryanf
the thing I miss the most is modern headlights...the brights on my honda pilot light are amazing.
Easy fix for that. Replace the sealed beam units with Hella E-Code H4 lenses. These are NOT the same as the cheap H4 conversions often seen on E-Bay and they aren't the same as Hella's own US DOT H4 lenses.

My 951 uses the same headlights as my 914, only difference is that I've put the Hella E-Code lenses in the 951. The difference is night and day and because of the crisp horizontal cut-off of the Hella E-Code lights they don't cause problems for oncoming drivers.

Expect to pay $100-$200 for a set of Hella H4 lenses but they're worth it. Best headlights I've ever had on any car, new or old.

bryanf 11-23-2005 02:11 PM

Thanks for the tip...I'll look into it. I have the cheap conversion now and it is definitely better than stock (which is just scary on mountain roads at night), but still not "good" by any stretch.

Bleyseng 11-23-2005 07:11 PM

Heat- ya have to switch to the early style SSI Heat Exchangers to get "real heat" that will cook you out even at 25 degrees, mine does.

Headlites- H4's are nice but the Pilot driving lites instead of the Fog lites is the way to really lite up the road.

New seals are nice but everything must fit right to make the car watertight! The windows must be adjusted, the doors adjusted and the Targa top fit tight.

Geoff

(10 years of driving a 914 in Seattle rain)

racer 11-30-2005 06:56 PM

I've enjoyed both 914 and 911 ownership. I bought my 911 because my 914 (with a 2.1l) wasn't cutting it anymore. SO I bought an SC. Then I spent $$$ making it handle like a 914. Now I miss my 914 and am thinking of selling for a 914. What I REALLY wanted, in hindsight, was 911 power in my 914.

I drove my 914 year round. Lousy heat. Lousy A/C (lol!).. Even with 4 snows and some sand in the trunk the car struggled for traction. I wouldn't recommend one for DD in NE winters.

911 DO handle well, they just need the right amount of $$$ thrown at them. 911's DO tell you sooner when the traction is gone and an irreversable slide may ensue. I use to be intimidated by the 911. Now I find it a bit tame(oooo oversteer. HA!)

The 914 had a natural directness in its cornering. Quick. Higher effort than the 911. Higher limit but a quick punishment when abused.


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