jpgs of 2 928 motors in 2 914s

[Jim Smolka]

A fellow in Europe emailed a couple of 918s that they have built

I have moved the pictures from AOL's useless servers to Pelican's. This should work better (see following post)

I believe that they are for sale

[rich]

Cooool Jim, The passanger bulk head looks stock!
Great photos. share some more!

[DSPTurtle]

I can't see them

[campbellcj]

Originally posted by DSPTurtle
I can't see them

On my Win2K laptop, I had to reload the page about 6 times before the pics would load.

They're on an AOL server...whaddya expect?

[edit: in fact they displayed a minute ago, and now they're gone ]

[Jim Smolka]

Since some folks were having trouble with the American Off-Line Server, I have posted it one of the pictures here of the GTS engine

[Jim Smolka]

Here is the other car engine (a 928 S motor)

[Jim Smolka]

Here is a picture of the 2 cars

[RichMason]

Early 928s (esp. automatics) are getting cheap. Any idea what something like that would cost to build and how difficult it would be? I assume you could use alot of the standard V-8 conversion pieces.

[bowlsby]

The owner is asking $50,000 for the S car and $70,000 for the GTS car.

Im sure the conversion would be less expensive...and no import costs! Looks like a tight fit.

[sweater914]

kind for defeats the purpose of having a light, nimble car, power is good but at what expense

[Rouser]

Golly, gee ... and look at all that room you have to work in.

Changing plugs must be a snap! And boy oh boy, all them gallons of H2O to lug around, too. Makes me and my car seem so ... ordinary.

[mike mueller]

I think they are pretty darn cool, that's alot of planning and engineering to do that. Anyone can fix up a 4 banger

Jeff,
I don;t think this swap would use one single part from the American conversion kits except for the radiator assembly.

Wait for the Cayanne to come out, I bet that will be "the" motor to have for a V6 or V8 swap.

[bowlsby]

Didn't mean to imply that the regular conversion parts would work or be suitable for this conversion.

Im sure others have seen the 'other' 928 into a 914 project in progress, but to those that haven't, here is the link:

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jrichar4/photos.htm

[Joe Ricard]

Wow, as Sweater914 can atest to my 1978 928 is one cool car. I won't say "never" because you know how that goes. Here is what would have to happen. I would need a 1985 Euro S motor to put in the beast. and then maybe consider my early motor into the the cool blue teener.
I think the brakes are going to push the limit of my talent anyway. I just recieved my "S" brakes last month so I need to get on the ball here.
Still don't get any respect for the two Porsches I own.
1978 silver 928 lots of upgrades (Gator)
1974 Alaska Blue Metalic 914 2.0 ( )

[jay castriotta]

I love for some one to write a service manual for those cars. I can see it now.

Adjusting the valves

[Rob-O]

Okay. Now if you guys are gonna start this stupid bashing, then somebodies gonna have to school ya.

First, and this is for Jay, why on God's green earth would you think you would need to adjust the valves on either of these cars? Think about it and get back to me...

Second for Rouser. The early "S" motored 914 in the picks may be a little hard to get to as far as spark plugs, but no more than the 914 in any iteration. In the 32 valve 914, those things are peeking right at you. As a matter of fact, you can see one spark plug boot in the pics. knowing where they sit in the 32 valve, you can tell by the picture that at least six of the eight are right there! Now, the two in the back of the motor might be a little tighter, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that we're talking about working on this thing from the top of the vehicle, with a good deal of room to spare. And let's not forget that we're talking about fuel injection and sweet factory ignition systems. It ain't like you're gonna be in there changing plugs and points and condensers every six months. Even if it were a daily driver, and you put an average of 15,000 miles on a year, we're talking every two years to change the plugs. I don't care if I had to drop the motor every two years, this car would be worth the trouble. Besides, the man got it in there, I'm sure if he was smart enough to get the details worked out on that job, he has a basic understanding of how he was going to get spark plugs in and out. Or caps and rotors, or air filters.

Third, for whomever criticized the weight and handling. We are talking about aluminum engine blocks, heads and even radiators. Yeah, of course there's in increase in weight. But really, do you think this transformation caused the car to handle like a 74 Pinto? The weight goes up a little, but we're still talking about a car that has a low center of gravity and an extremely low polar moment, even with the 928 motor installed. The only handling this guy is worried about is keeping the car pointed straight when he hits the accelerator.

And to top it all off, it's a Porsche motor. I've been in all kinds of 914's in my life, from Chevy V8's to Chrysler V8's to a tricked out 2.8L RSR motored 914-6. All extremely quick. I'm sure this one is no different. Go take a ride in a Chevy V8 powered 914. You might not like the idea of an American engine in a German car, but if you can get some words out of your mouth after the experience, I guarentee it won't be to criticize the performance.

And the motor implants look pretty clean.

Okay, so let's compare at little, shall we?

In the case of the 32V motor, we're looking at a minimum of 318 h.p. Take the stock 914 at 2100 lbs. and add a few hundred (say 400lbs.) pounds of extra equipment that the 928 motor will add to the overall weight of the vehicle. I figure that's all the difference at most between the 914 motor and the 928 powerplant and accessories. We're still talking huge power to weight ratio at approximately 7.86 lbs. per horsepower (2500 lbs. / 318 h.p). Approximations for the 914-4 weighing in at 2100 lbs. and having the 2.0L pumping out 95 horsepower comes in at 22.1 lbs. per horsepower.

Sorry I'm ranting, but you guys are killing me. Oh, this ain't gonna work, that would be too hard, I'll bet he has a hard time doing this, or changing that. Please...

Even if the handling on this car was a little worse. Both of these cars would be so far ahead of you after two miles on any road, he could stop and eat a meal before he'd have to worry about you catching up.

Now quit ripping.

Disclaimer: I don't own either of these vehicles.

[campbellcj]

Personally - I think the cars are very cool and "cost no object" I would love to own one.

But in my opinion they are priced on German/Euro terms and here in the States I would find it hard to imagine even the GTS car selling for more than $35K or so...if that much.

Sorry Roland, but even if each car cost US$80-100K to build, it's a tough sell here in the US at the current asking prices. We see all kinds of cool Porsches selling for 50% or less of the original cost to build them.

And, any transplant is a tough fit into the normal competition class structure of the usual groups - PCA/POC/SCCA/TCRA etc, for those who are into track driving.

But I sure as heck bet they are a BLAST to drive! Can you say...TORQUE? If I ever make it to Germany, sign me up for a ride, please!

Just my $.02 of course.

[Joe Ricard]

Just to echo what Rob said, I think you estimated the weight pretty good although heavier than a chevy. Who cares that flat torque curve is going to rocket you out of any corner. Spark plugs ARE a snap. both the early and late 928 motors have the plugs pointing straight down. the 16V motor has gaps in the intake spider to access. If the 16V motor is a 4.7L then it should have KE- jetronic (lambda) injection. Very nice! ALL 928 's have hydraulic lifters. 928 motors are going from as little as 1,000 dollars 16V 4.5L to 3,000 dollars 16V Euro 4.7L (310 hp) 10,000 dolars for a stroker 6.9L long block. did I mention that FAST928 makes a bolt on super charger? HP you don't want to know.

[Rouser]

I guess I was just defending the 914 in its original guise, not some water-bourne, V8-suppositoried (Porsche not excepted) $50K - $70K excersize into RUF-land.

Oh, don't get me wrong; I'm impressed with all the engineering acrobatics that went into creating these nuclear giants. It gives us a reason to get all puffy-chested.

For purist sake, I'd rather drop the heavy-duty coins into my future Boxster, and just enjoy my current 914 for what it is, an aircooled 914.

[BKOMAR]

All I can say is W O W !!!! That would be absolutely FUN.... It never ceases to amaze me what people will do to these cars. I think that besides a BUG this has to be the transplant king of vehicles. Look at all the types of transplants there are... rotary, V-8, V-6, Electric (which really intrigues me). It is OBVIOUS to all that have ever driven one that the engines are anemic at best...though still a blast to drive ( spare the flames guys). I think that all of us at one time or another have lusted after MORE POWER! Be it American muscle or exotic bizarre powerplants..and everything in between. I was at my local junkyard the other day...and waaaayyy off in the corner...I spied a SHO Taurus....that is a good looking engine... the first thought was ..that would be cool in a 914! Then I found out it had already been done. I would find it hard to believe... that if you showed up at a PCA DE that you would be "shunned" for having a 928 powered 914. We are all car guys that would just HAVE to appreciate the technicality of the swap! Brian