914-6 Paint Question

[Racerbvd]

I got a big question on our 914-6, on the bottom, mine has been painted a different color (from the factory) and undercoated
My paint guy says that he finds no traces of Blue on the bottom and that the color & under coating appear to have been applied from the factory..
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This is a Concours Restoration, so it has to be correct, so on one hand I'm thinking just Paint the bottom the matching Blue, but on the other hand, Porsche was also known to sometimes spray the bottoms with what ever was left in the Spray gun and I know of one collector who has a few 914-6s, like mine, both 70s and both OEM, yet one of his 1970s Six's has no coating; another '70 does
I need to figure this out ASAP as the car is ready for Paint..

[SirAndy]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

My paint guy says that he finds no traces of Blue on the bottom and that the color & under coating appear to have been applied from the factory..

I'm pretty sure they painted *over* the rubber-ish undercoating, which is a light gray in color.

[914/6]

I think because it being metallic 2 stage in 1970 they didn't spray the chassis 100% like they did in later years, Like Andy say there is usaully the grey and then body color and then the black light pebble black undercoat, The dealer sprayed undercoat is heavy and globby.
All the non metalic -6's I have delt with are sprayed 99% over the beige, and then have the black pebbly undercoat on top. Later cars are painted 100% color and then undercoated and some not. Just my observations

Your floor pan black pebble undercoat is like the many -6's I have owned.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by 914/6

I think because it being metallic 2 stage in 1970 they didn't spray the chassis 100% like they did in later years, Like Andy say there is usaully the grey and then body color and then the black light pebble black undercoat, The dealer sprayed undercoat is heavy and globby.
All the non metalic -6's I have delt with are sprayed 99% over the beige, and then have the black pebbly undercoat on top. Later cars are painted 100% color and then undercoated and some not. Just my observations

Your floor pan black pebble undercoat is like the many -6's I have owned.

Thanks, this makes the most sense, and we have found out that this is and has been the number 1 controversy at Porsche Concours, for the past 25 years, since Porsche & VOA had an agreement NOT to undercoat, & Porsche didn't offer it until 1972, yet, there are still cars like mine, that clearly were coated BEFORE they got to the ports (some dealers in the US had arrangements to have the cars coated upon reaching the ports, different vendors, some really good, some not. We researched this, talking to one of the top Porsche restorers, and the #1 guy according to PCA, but with NO factory documentation, and most of the Porsche people who were involved at that level either have retired or passed on it doesn't look like it will ever be resolved..
So looks like we will go with a shiny, bottom...

[Matt Romanowski]

Either John Paterak or Alan Caldwell will know the definitive answer. I know a one owner 72 -6 in Bahia Red that had the black undercoat over the red finish. It has the standard tan "seam sealer" undcoat under that.

[Racerbvd]

[kenrinc]

Welcome to Concours. Unless you've got a buddy who's got a name for himself good luck on that. I restored a 1968 911 L and had it judged at PCA parade. One of the judges had a hotel room beside us. He came out one morning while my buddy was wiping down the car and said, "you know those aren't the right wheels for that car". I was like, "uh, not only are they the right wheels, they were the only wheels available for that model year (referring to the rare 5.5x15" Fuchs). The guy was adamant that they were incorrect for that year. I was like whatever dude. "You might know Harvey Weidman"? Yeah he did the wheels so I'm pretty confident that their correct". The clincher? Harvey was standing next to me when the head judge came back to ask, "are those the correct wheels for this car". And Harvey turned to him and said "I did the wheels, I'm pretty sure I know what wheels were available on this car" Or something to that effect.

When the time came for the results and we looked over our judging sheets, the guy was able to convince the rest of the judges that the wheels were incorrect and we were docked a s&it load of points for it. It turned out that this is very common. Unless you protest, it's moot. I found that the winning cars were always owned by people who either knew the judges, were judges themselves, or were having their hands held by guys who had restored the cars and been through it before. You got a love it.

No, I'm not bitter. I restored a car that placed 2nd in a parade and I did it myself! Everyone else we met "wrote a check". A lot of the judges were a bit shocked at the fact that we had done it ourselves. Almost to the point of disbelief. I just think it was sort of comical. Your car is a perfect example of the controversy where the judges won't shutup and just agree to disagree and remove it from that section of the judging. Ran into the same issue on that 911. Factory had sprayed the newer undercoating on the underside of the hood. Judge argued that it should have been the "sand pebble" texture from early years, yet I'd see many other 68s with the same texture as mine with chassis numbers after mine. I refinished the hood. Trust me. It was original.

Ken-

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by kenrinc

Welcome to Concours. Unless you've got a buddy who's got a name for himself good luck on that. I restored a 1968 911 L and had it judged at PCA parade. One of the judges had a hotel room beside us. He came out one morning while my buddy was wiping down the car and said, "you know those aren't the right wheels for that car". I was like, "uh, not only are they the right wheels, they were the only wheels available for that model year (referring to the rare 5.5x15" Fuchs). The guy was adamant that they were incorrect for that year. I was like whatever dude. "You might know Harvey Weidman"? Yeah he did the wheels so I'm pretty confident that their correct". The clincher? Harvey was standing next to me when the head judge came back to ask, "are those the correct wheels for this car". And Harvey turned to him and said "I did the wheels, I'm pretty sure I know what wheels were available on this car" Or something to that effect.

When the time came for the results and we looked over our judging sheets, the guy was able to convince the rest of the judges that the wheels were incorrect and we were docked a s&it load of points for it. It turned out that this is very common. Unless you protest, it's moot. I found that the winning cars were always owned by people who either knew the judges, were judges themselves, or were having their hands held by guys who had restored the cars and been through it before. You got a love it.

No, I'm not bitter. I restored a car that placed 2nd in a parade and I did it myself! Everyone else we met "wrote a check". A lot of the judges were a bit shocked at the fact that we had done it ourselves. Almost to the point of disbelief. I just think it was sort of comical. Your car is a perfect example of the controversy where the judges won't shutup and just agree to disagree and remove it from that section of the judging. Ran into the same issue on that 911. Factory had sprayed the newer undercoating on the underside of the hood. Judge argued that it should have been the "sand pebble" texture from early years, yet I'd see many other 68s with the same texture as mine with chassis numbers after mine. I refinished the hood. Trust me. It was original.

Ken-

LOL, thanks Ken, yea, I'm very familiar with the "System"
And you are correct, and the saddest part is many of those "Judging" have no clue about the older cars, they only know what they have read in books and as you found out, the closest to being involved in restoring or preparing a older Porsche is writing a check.

[Racerbvd]

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Wheel wells..

Rear trunk..

[Racerbvd]

[Cairo94507]

Wow that is coming out very nice. Please keep 'em coming.

[TheCabinetmaker]

starting to look real nice, that color is great!

[roblav]

When you're doing a conversion, you don't need to worry about that so much! I completely stripped this tub and applied 3M (expensive) seam sealer with a nylon brush just about everywhere, then applied PPG DP (white) epoxy primer, surfacer, and Light Ivory DCC. A 993 engine is slated to go in it.

[Cairo94507]

I love seeing these tubs clean and restored, if the car is a 6 or a 4 makes no difference. Just love seeing them like new, or better, again.

[porschetub]

Not a truer word spoken,and the comments from Ken are as true ,each to there own but when you get guys altering shut lines on doors to achive a fit better than the factory EVER did is beyond common sense and then judges don't mark down for it,they should.
Racerbvd nice work on this car that is a great colour ,tell them it was special order,they will hate that cause they most likely couldn't prove otherwise.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by porschetub

Not a truer word spoken,and the comments from Ken are as true ,each to there own but when you get guys altering shut lines on doors to achive a fit better than the factory EVER did is beyond common sense and then judges don't mark down for it,they should.
Racerbvd nice work on this car that is a great colour ,tell them it was special order,they will hate that cause they most likely couldn't prove otherwise.

Actually, I can prove it


Roblav,
My GT clone is like that, the car I wanted twin plug with 3.0 and 46 Webers



Here is the engine for the factory Six...

[Carbster09]

Looks great.

Who is doing your resto? I have a 70 six in Adriatic Blue. Not really my favorite color, but I am 90% sure I will stick with it. Presently thinking of contacting Scott B or using CPR.

CC

[Racerbvd]

Progress!!!

[roblav]

Nice sheen... from a good gun and a good painter. But blue is easier to paint than white!

I had never done a 914 before (always early 911's), so maybe my comments here might be helpful:

When I was putting mine back together, the cowl was too low, and the fan blower was a pain to get in and the paint got scratched a little. And be careful re-installing the front suspension cross tube and steering rack. Easy to scratch the paint there too.

The engine lid, when installed, will spring up and hit the targa top when you pull the release. I keep a rag handy there in case I forget. The front hood springs can be a pain to install too. I used a welding rod through the spring end and pulled it with vice grips.

These cars are a little funky compared to the 911, but the more I play with it the cooler I think it is.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Carbster09

Looks great.

Who is doing your resto? I have a 70 six in Adriatic Blue. Not really my favorite color, but I am 90% sure I will stick with it. Presently thinking of contacting Scott B or using CPR.

CC

Stick with the original color, and if you are close enough to either Scott or CPR, both are good choices, Rock Ruby was doing it, on recommendation of his adoptive father, Peter W. Schutz , president and CEO of Porsche between 1981 and 1986, unfortunately, he didn't do anything but take money $$$, product & some of the parts for the car are now missing You would expect better from someone the former CEO of Porsche was recommending. Mike Hatfield in Naples cleaned up the mess Rock did on the body, and did a great job too, will be taking the Turbo "S" to him for some needed touch up.. Joe O'Brian from Series 9 in Deland will be handling the bulk of finishing (not going to be ready for Amelia Island, but shooting for Parade) i-Systems did the engine & tranny, PowderTech-Plus did a majority the powder coating. I picked her up from Naples last week and dropped her off in Deland (if it wasn't for some medical issues, I would have done much more myself.








And now the fun begins, but I need a new pair of rear shocks & OEM springs, correct for the Six of course..