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weltmeister cambermeister installed pics
I bought a strut brace used that turned out to be a Weltmeister Cambermeister. I can not find any instructions online. The two hats on the struts are not the same, and the bar is bent at one end. Does anybody have a picture of one installed on a late model 944 so I can figure out which piece goes at which end at which orientation, and which direction the bend in the bar goes?
Thanks,
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06-09-2010, 03:29 AM
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Bend in the bar? I don't own one myself, but I would suggest that getting it straightened should be your first order of business. Then hope that it will still retain it's original stiffness.
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06-09-2010, 05:27 AM
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It is a factory bend. The factory pictures have the same bend in the bar. They have a picture of one installed on an early 944, and I found a picture of one installed on a turbo on a thread about intakes. Because there are several mounting points I was wondering which one I should use for a late 944 n/a.
I called the company, and they could not find any instructions (hard to believe), so I figured I would try here.
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06-09-2010, 05:37 AM
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 The cambermeister strut brace has an engineered-in bend on the RHS of the bar to provide proper clearance over the intake manifold. As you can see in the above photo from Weltmeister's website, the brackets on the strut brace mounting hats go toward the front of the car, and the bend is on the passenger side of the car.
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06-09-2010, 05:39 AM
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I'm having trouble understanding why it would have a factory bend in it . There is no way that it could match the stiffness of a straight bar. Must be because of some sort of fit issue, I guess. Although I do consider weltmeister to be a pretty good name, that sounds like total BS that they can't find any instructions to send you, for 1 of their own ****** products.
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06-09-2010, 05:43 AM
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  You can just surf through my photo album if those don't help you. I don't know what there is to install, really? Put the sticker so it's facing you and upright. The rest isn't rocket surgery... It's a great design, forget about the bend. It works.
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06-09-2010, 05:56 AM
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Oops, that other post must have come through while I was in the middle of typing mine (I'm a slow typer). I think that a strut brace might be something that could be produced (and offered to others) relatively easily by someone here who has some basic metal working equipment. Anyone game?
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06-09-2010, 05:59 AM
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That answers which direction the bar goes, and which hat is which. What is hard to tell is which mounting point to use since there are two ears on each hat. It looks like it might be the forward one on the left and the back one on the right. The picture is also an early car, so I am not sure if a late care would use the same mounting points. When I try to put it on tonight it might only fit one way making my decision easy. It is kind of funny how such a simple operation can contain hidden complexities.
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06-09-2010, 06:26 AM
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  the PO put it in with the bend on the drivers side, but i don't think it matters that much
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06-09-2010, 07:57 AM
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the PO put it in with the bend on the drivers side, but i don't think it matters that much 
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06-09-2010, 07:58 AM
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Thanks, that is exactly what I needed. Mine should look like that in a few hours.
It is now installed.
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06-09-2010, 12:33 PM
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What else have you done to the suspension? If this is your first mod.... Well be prepared for monumental oversteer....
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06-09-2010, 02:51 PM
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Front and rear Weltmeister antiswaybars 220 lb Eibach springs New front struts Weltmeister strut brace Coming very soon 27mm torsion bars New rear shocks Thanks for the warning. I will terrorize a few cloverleaves tomorrow morning to see how it feels. If there is too much oversteer then the bar will come out until I have sorted out the rear.
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06-09-2010, 04:24 PM
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With all that done I suspect it will exhibit understeer until you replace the rear shocks and swap the tbars... and 27mm is really stiff with 220lb springs...
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06-09-2010, 04:27 PM
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I was just following the advice from Clarks Garage for the match between the 220lb springs and the 27mm torsion bars. I may have to research this more before dedicating a weekend to changing out the bars (a job I am not looking forward to).
From Clark's Garage "Sport Suspension A good sport suspension setup for a car that is primarily driven on the street might include 220 lb. front springs, 27 mm torsion bar, 30 mm front sway bar, and 19 mm rear sway bar. Personally, I like a car that has very neutral steering characteristics. If you prefer to maintain the understeering characteristics of the stock 944, you might prefer a 26 mm sway bar to the 27 mm. If you prefer a car that oversteers, you might choose a 28 mm torsion bar. Just realize that a car that oversteers is much more sensitive to steering corrections and can you into trouble during a panic maneuver. With regards to the sway bars, I really like the 968 M030 sway bars. The reason I like them is that the 19 mm rear bars are 3-way adjustable which give you another option when it comes to changing the steering characteristics."
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06-09-2010, 04:33 PM
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having the bar won't induce over or understeer, it only keeps the tops of the shock towers from moving & slightly changing the camber.
over/understeer is more affected by sway bars and tire pressure. I also have m030 sway bars w/ adj. drop links in the rear, 2" lowered 200# front springs, koni adj. shocks, and a harness bar - i bought the car with all these turn fast goodies already installed, so i really can't say if the bar only would have any affect
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06-09-2010, 08:24 PM
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Without all the other goodies it makes the car stiffer in the front than it already is....
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06-09-2010, 08:25 PM
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Check out Ideola's Garage Spring rates per that chart, the 27mm Torsion bar has a 220lb effective spring rate in the 944 which will be fairly closely balanced with the effective rate of the front.
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1988 Porsche 944 2.5L N/A
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