How much would you pay?

[ernie9944]

Trying to pick your brain out you guys,so how much would you pay for this street/track 89-Turbo S.Has a 3.0 ltr 8V racing motor (MAF sensor)-Core racing Rad -tranny is a 968 LSD 6 speed - racing suspension include Charlie arms, also has a removable roll bare.Approx 420 HP at the rear wheels.Mileage 79,889 klms asking $xxxxx.xx CND.

[Gawernator]

$10k?

[FrenchToast]

I always think the interior can tell a lot about a car - most notable the care with which it was built, and the level of attention to detail.

I would want to know how the belts are routed, seats mounted, bar mounted, to make sure it was done safely. I've seen some pretty scary 'race-prepped' cars.

But, I think Gaw is about right with this one.

Take care,

[mikepellegrini]

I know only one other guy who put a 968 6 SPD tranny in a 951 - Seattle951 - and according to him, it seriously sucked.

The problem is that when you have that much horsepower, the first couple gears are almost useless; they rap out too quickly and are too close ratio.

In the end , I believe he took the 968 tranny out.

Very cool though.

Perhaps if you could change the gearing it might be better. But that'd be a major
Project.

[Gawernator]

Simple solution, install PDK

[POPS 83 944]

Love the looks of that 951 I would say 10-12 k. Looks well looked after.

[FrenchToast]

Originally Posted by mikepellegrini

I know only one other guy who put a 968 6 SPD tranny in a 951 - Seattle951 - and according to him, it seriously sucked.

Lots of people do it, usually for the track and because a 951S box won't handle their torque. If you have the power, it does work well I think.

Originally Posted by Gawernator

Simple solution, install PDK

The computer for it would be bigger than the ECU, and probably weigh as much as a battery. Not to mention eight lightyears worth of wiring.

IIRC, Porsche still holds the record for the strongest manual gearbox ever put into production. And it was made forty years ago.....

Take care,

[JoshB]

Wow, that is a nice car. Would love to see engine bay and know more about the car. Easily a 15k car and probably 20k plus.

[Gawernator]

Quote de mikepellegrini

I know only one other guy who put a 968 6 SPD tranny in a 951 - Seattle951 - and according to him, it seriously sucked.

Lots of people do it, usually for the track and because a 951S box won't handle their torque. If you have the power, it does work well I think.

Quote de Gawernator

Simple solution, install PDK

The computer for it would be bigger than the ECU, and probably weigh as much as a battery. Not to mention eight lightyears worth of wiring.



IIRC, Porsche still holds the record for the strongest manual gearbox ever put into production. And it was made forty years ago.....



Take care,

Let me down gently when you crush my dreams

[rick13]

knowing that it has been "tracked", to me, suggests it prolly needs a little work. ya know...say 5k of refreshers here and there. Lol

still prolly worth 12k. get everything sorted out...call it 15-20

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

I always think the interior can tell a lot about a car - most notable the care with which it was built, and the level of attention to detail.

I would want to know how the belts are routed, seats mounted, bar mounted, to make sure it was done safely. I've seen some pretty scary 'race-prepped' cars.

But, I think Gaw is about right with this one.

Take care,

interior also says a lot about the previous owner ....

and that interior says "RUN" to me

[ernie9944]

Originally Posted by JoshB

Wow, that is a nice car. Would love to see engine bay and know more about the car. Easily a 15k car and probably 20k plus.

Can only tell you that he has more than $20K invested with all the paper work to back it up.As you can see brakes are twin turbo big red-wheels are Fiske 17".Personally I don't see nothing out of the ordinary in the engine bay but lol I'm no turbo expert, maybe you boost addict can. ..

[mikepellegrini]

Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Lots of people do it, usually for the track and because a 951S box won't handle their torque. If you have the power, it does work well I think.

Take care,

I'm only repeating what Seattle951 said. He spent thousands on the car. All the work was done by a garage in Redmond.

Here's a thread from Clark's where he discusses it: Clark's Garage Message Board :: View topic - 968 transmission in a 944 turbo

My son has an 86 951 that makes 300+ HP at the wheels and even with the standard 951 transmission, 1st gear is done so quick you can't really get on it. You just can't shift that quickly. Blip the throttle and it's at 7,500 RPM.

With a 400+ HP car, it'd be even worse.

The answer would be to change the gearing, but that's probably cost prohibitive.

[JoshB]

Originally Posted by ernie9944

Can only tell you that he has more than $20K invested with all the paper work to back it up.As you can see brakes are twin turbo big red-wheels are Fiske 17".Personally I don't see nothing out of the ordinary in the engine bay but lol I'm no turbo expert, maybe you boost addict can. ..

Engine bay is a let down. PowerHaus is old school. Looks like there is something going on with missing vaccum ports on the intake, hokey setup with the ISV and cam tower crank case vent, hate those old adjustable FPRs, wiring is a mess, running stock BOV, fuel lines look suspect and I think the dampner's been deleted.

Looks like a dry turbo and the AC has been deleted. Are those pry marks around the center cap on the Fikse? Running a 2.7 head or a modified 951 head on that 3L block?

[Gawernator]

All of a sudden it doesn't sound so good, lol

[mikepellegrini]

Yeah, for sexy engine bays, I'll take my son's car over that one:





He hasn't had it dynoed, but before the MAF, before the larger turbo, and before the 75# injectors, he was making about 250 RWHP and 300 FtLbs RWT. We figure it's somewhere inbetween 300-400 RWHP now. The car is just plain scary. His full mods:

Lindsey Racing Stage 2 MAF with a piggyback controller
3 Bar FPR
951Max Chips
75# injectors
Lindsey Racing Super 65 Turbo
Open Tial 38mm dual port wastegate
Innovate LC-1 Wideband O2 sensor and digital AFM gauge
Lindsey Racing Manual Boost Controller
Lindsey Racing 3" cat-less, muffler-less exhaust with a resonator
Koni adjustable struts with adjustable ride height with 425# springs and solid strut mounts
Koni adjustable shocks with 550 # Rear Coil-overs (torsion bar delete)
KEP Stage 2 clutch and pressure plate

[Gawernator]

KLA strut tower mounts?

[mikepellegrini]

Not sure who made the mounts. I'll ask.

[FrenchToast]

Originally Posted by Gawernator

Quote de

You in France or something?

Don't want to crush your dreams. Slam in a PDK! Build it with spectacular attention to detail. Make a kit. Revel in your quick shifts. I'm just pointing out you're gonna want a bit more power to haul it around.

Originally Posted by rick13

knowing that it has been "tracked", to me, suggests it prolly needs a little work.

Not necessarily all cars that are tracked are 'trashed'. Many times, yes, this can be true. But sometimes not. I have seen track cars in better cosmetic and mechanical condition than most streetcars.

Originally Posted by mikepellegrini

The answer would be to change the gearing, but that's probably cost prohibitive.

I think you're right it all depends on the car, its purpose, the engine, etc.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

interior also says a lot about the previous owner ....

and that interior says "RUN" to me

As does an engine bay. That engines bay, well, has room for improvement.

While I'm not saying anything about this particular car, but I don't care how many receipts an owner can provide. Someone can point at a turd and show a receipt that they spent thousands on the compound they used to polish it, doesn't mean it's worth what the receipts say.

Oy!

Take care,

[ernie9944]

Originally Posted by JoshB

Engine bay is a let down. PowerHaus is old school. Looks like there is something going on with missing vaccum ports on the intake, hokey setup with the ISV and cam tower crank case vent, hate those old adjustable FPRs, wiring is a mess, running stock BOV, fuel lines look suspect and I think the dampner's been deleted.

Looks like a dry turbo and the AC has been deleted. Are those pry marks around the center cap on the Fikse? Running a 2.7 head or a modified 951 head on that 3L block?

Thanks Josh for telling it like it is,funny I had my doubt to after seeing the engine bay even thougth I'm no expert in 944 turbo.So your the winer asking price is $16,900.00 CDN.