Early 78 5 spd headed for the SoCal crusher

[Danglerb]

**** Update, called Mark and he is looking for about $1500.

I stopped in at 928Intl today for a couple parts, and sitting out front waiting to be junked was a fairly nice looking (outside) white no sun roof 78 5 spd, VIN 9288200064. Jim says its just $10k away from being a $5k car, but I think somebody has to be brave enough to save it.

Picts are from my cell phone, and it makes things look much nicer than they do in person. Make no mistake this is a car that will take some TLC, last smog test was 12/31/1998 and it passed, but that means maybe 8 years parked. I noticed a few spots of rust, worst was filler cap, but nothing that looked "all" that bad, nothing bondo bad to my eye. I didn't look under the hood, and not much of the inside other than sheepskins on seats was visible, assume rough.

No clue what it might take to buy it, but what do you scrap out of 78 thats been sitting for years other than maybe the tranny and metal value?

[Fabio421]

I thought you wre looking for a non sunroof car. Here you go, it almost fell into your lap

[icemang17]

Since 928intl is NOT going to the trouble of parting it out & is just selling it for scrap.....THATS A HINT..... When Mark-Jim come across nice easily save-able 928's they often post it.....a friend of mine bought a nice 82 auto that was sitting for years from Mark for $2500.....a small amount of work later he has a nice daily driver!! Mark posted it for sale on rennlist....stating he would rather sell it and have someone save it than part it out.....

[Danglerb]

Mark and Jim are reasonable people, that deal with the 928 in a reasonable way. Saving this car is NOT a reasonable act, which is why I am suggesting it to our happy group.

I have no idea of what 928Intl has planned for it exactly, selling didn't appear high on the list.

78's aren't my flavor, and I have zero restoration skills.

[SeanR]

It's sad to see, but with the amount of parts available from all the early cars, sometimes it is not worth taking the time to tear it apart. Many of us would love to save each one we come across, and I hope someone will grab this one, but sadly many go to the crusher. I have a problem looking at one that is about to be tore up, wondering what it was like for the 1st owner, and curious to know how it got to the point that it is now worthless to anyone.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

Mark and Jim are reasonable people, that deal with the 928 in a reasonable way. Saving this car is NOT a reasonable act, which is why I am suggesting it to our happy group.

I have no idea of what 928Intl has planned for it exactly, selling didn't appear high on the list.

78's aren't my flavor, and I have zero restoration skills.

Hey DanglerB! MrGST was looking for an early 5 speed and white to be exact. Can you get a price from 928intl? I will forward it.

[Danglerb]

I could give Jim a call Monday, but best results would come from MrGST working with Jim and Mark directly.

I was thinking about it today, good business plan would have Mark scour the country looking for cheap OB's and giving them to anybody willing to fix them. They are the razors for his razor blade business.

What parts besides a tranny come off of a 78? (that hasn't run in some time)

Sean, thats just it, I can't see one of these cars in person without trying to do something about it. I have had a few facts pounded in to me, things that can't be fixed, salvage title, frame damage, fire damage, but a straight body and none of those really bad things and I am still asking why scrap it?

[MPDano]

Do you get money for scrapping a full car?

[785sp]

Wow, that's a clone of the one I bought two years ago, and I'm just two grand away from spending 10K for a 5K car! There must be at least one other dupe out there. Love the ride, though. I'll be cool beans in about 20 years.

[DanielDudley]

For the money I have in my OB, I could have had a GT.

Get the GT.

OTOH, I have a very nice POS, that isn't half slow.

[baby shark]

I've had a good experiences with my '78 euro 5 sp which I bought for $1000 dollars 8 months ago. In storage many years Came with new radiator and alt installed. Ran when I bought it and drove home 75 miles. I've put on 6-7k miles. Tranny doesn't have a grind even in low gears, no torque tube noise, goes from 0 to 65 in 2nd gears without hesitation. Mint seats. I've spent next to nothing in repairs. Just did no brainer clutch slave with the $20 seal kit. Bled brakes manually without problem. Car starts in 10 degree weather. Gonna swap out fuel filter next week. So far so good.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by baby shark

I've had a good experiences with my '78 euro 5 sp which I bought for $1000 dollars 8 months ago. In storage many years Came with new radiator and alt installed. Ran when I bought it and drove home 75 miles. I've put on 6-7k miles. Tranny doesn't have a grind even in low gears, no torque tube noise, goes from 0 to 65 in 2nd gears without hesitation. Mint seats. I've spent next to nothing in repairs. Just did no brainer clutch slave with the $20 seal kit. Bled brakes manually without problem. Car starts in 10 degree weather. Gonna swap out fuel filter next week. So far so good.

Wow you scored. I bought my 81 Euro for $850 and into it for a little over 1K total now and it still doesn't run. Throw down some pics of what I need to be jealous of.

[Danglerb]

The first 100 cars deserve special treatment.

This is a 78, serial number 64, straight body, paint faded with a few rust areas, but its white so it might buff out with some spot repairs, non sunroof, 5 spd.

99% of the early cars are $10k away from being a $5k car, its just that some of them are slightly more drivable than others. I like what Podguy says, doesn't matter if the dash has one crack or ten cracks, or the paint has one bad spot or its all toast, you need a rebuilt dash and a respray unless its something your OK with.

With the "reasonable" point of view we all buy only cars that need little work and drive them into the ground, and I think thats nothing to be proud of.

[Danglerb]

$1500, thats the word from Mark this morning, essential inspection and negotiation is left for the individual.

The first 100 cars, which might in this case mean the first 100 Euro's, often have some production uniqueness. Serial number 64 means this is car 54, does that have no meaning for you? Beyond the eternal question, "Car 54 Where are you?" serial numbers below 100 do add to the value.

Real restoration costs don't differ all that much for a complete car over a wide range of condition. Buying a car cheap in better than your minimum desired condition and driving it until its below your minimum and then selling it for a good price is a reason to be pleased, but not proud.

[Danglerb]

This should be a special vin too.

VIN: 9288200928
Vehicle: Porsche
Records found for this vehicle: 4

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by rogue

Ok, if you think something like the first 100 are something special, then I'm sure you'll be adding on Olds Alero to your stable some day. When they ceased production a few years ago, the last 500 Aleros were so badged, some extra graphics, etc, and are sure to be one someone's collector list.

Now answer the question, two 1978 928s, exact same condition, color, etc, one is #99, the other is #101. How much more will #99 fetch?

I would say at least 10.4 Gigawatt Dollars more.

[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by rogue

Ok, if you think something like the first 100 are something special, then I'm sure you'll be adding on Olds Alero to your stable some day. When they ceased production a few years ago, the last 500 Aleros were so badged, some extra graphics, etc, and are sure to be one someone's collector list.

Now answer the question, two 1978 928s, exact same condition, color, etc, one is #99, the other is #101. How much more will #99 fetch?

I am not sure of the information I have, but as I understand it the first 100 cars off the line are known to have some differences from later production which was fully sorted out and standardized in higher serial number cars.

An interesting serial number can double the potential interest in a given car, which means it might sell much more quickly, but might not change the price much at all.

How much more is a car worth with 29,750 miles vs 30,250?

[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by rogue

Ok, if you think something like the first 100 are something special, then I'm sure you'll be adding on Olds Alero to your stable some day. When they ceased production a few years ago, the last 500 Aleros were so badged, some extra graphics, etc, and are sure to be one someone's collector list.

Now answer the question, two 1978 928s, exact same condition, color, etc, one is #99, the other is #101. How much more will #99 fetch?

I can't say, but if this car was serial number 247, maybe I would never have posted.

All I am suggesting is that any 928 with a straight body and clear title deserves some review before its turned into beer cans. Not all can be saved, but its not always the cute kitten that goes out the front door of the pound.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by rogue

Good thing it's Mark, Jim and whoever else at the helm of 928 Int'l. With someone like you there, junk would pile up to the sky with no progress being made. Scrap the emotion along with 928 debris and follow the sage advice of Sgt Joe Friday.

"Just the facts, ma'am."

Whats the big deal on DanglerBs posts. You sound like all you want to do is stir things up. I think you fit perfectly with the attitude on Rennlist. Go there and vent.

[Danglerb]

Two points of view Leo, as Mark says in another thread, they get about 36 cars a year and sell 6 doors, some things you can't argue with.

Absolutely correct, if I was doing it I would have a LOT of cars. A dozen OB's and a track would be an awfully sweet "resort".

OTOH I am not taking this puppy home, just trying to find it a good home. I've got 3, and my 84 Euro is now "mostly" taken apart and will be going to the crusher before my 85 Euro comes home to take its spot in the next couple weeks. I am willing scrap, just not with a shotgun approach to anything pre 85 that needs a little work.