Considering a 928

[bluto]

Hello all
I am considering a a 928 for my next toy Currently have a 911.
Looking for a S4 5spd. Are there any major or common problems to look for with these cars. Your opinions and input are welcome
Thank you

[rhjames]

Wally Plumley once suggested that you should buy the newest (year) model 928 you can afford.....


the standard rules for purchase apply:

PPI

clean title

maintenance history is a help


if you have no experience with 928, but do have 911 (Carrera) experience, you may find that 928 feels heavier than your rear motor Porsche.

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the S4 has no real issues to keep anyone away from them, except more electrical stuff than the earlier models.

with a 5-speed, you should be able to enjoy it as long as the clutch system has been well maintained. the S4 gearboxes are better than the earlier ones. if you can find one with LSD (or similar), that's a bonus.

Prices can vary from $1K for junk to $20K + for a pristine example.

[DanielDudley]

Will be right back to you on this.

Bump

[Danglerb]

The only real problem with the 928 is that if you get hooked on them the problems don't stop you from owning them.

Buy the nicest car you can find, and take your time finding it. The market is full of trouble cars, its really very rare that anybody sells a nice 928 with no issues and no history of issues. When a fine example shows up, be ready to pounce, they may sell within minutes.

[bluto]

Thank you all for your replys Tough to find a good one with a 5spd.
Saw one on ebay it was chatted about on this site A black GTS at a dealer in Houston Texas . I called about it and was told that they the dealership was " not sure if it was the original engine that it might be 5.O instead of the 5.4 "

[Danglerb]

I think the black GTS in TX could be the poster boy for which 928 not to buy.

[jthwan22]

read this
http://www.rennlist.com/techarticles/928/928purchaseinspectfaq.htm

[bluto]

Thanks That will be very helpful Tough to find the one I want Cant seem to find a good manual transmission car.

[Danglerb]

Shopping follows the pick two of the three rule, fast (find it soon), Good, and cheap.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by bluto

Thanks That will be very helpful Tough to find the one I want Cant seem to find a good manual transmission car.

928 5 speeds are low volume items. As such, it takes a while to find a good one, and when you do, it will command a premium.

[ROG100]

As already said 5 speeds are rare and will fetch a premium.
Expect to pay from $14k to $24 for an 87 through 91.

Make sure someone who knows a 928 checks it out.

[low miler]

I have 1991 928 GT production car # 2 coming available for sale in about 2 weeks if your interested. All of my 928's are of show quality, both mechanically and physically, and this car is no exception. Guards red over supple cashmere leather. The only GT in the United States with factory ordered leather instrument pod and leather center console. Other options include in-dash CD-2, Bilstein sport shock absorbers and painted Porsche crest center caps just to mention a few. The car has 79,000 miles and is 100% original with absolutely all of it's original equipment accounted for (spare tire, spare tire compressor, changing mat, gloves, all tools, cargo cover, cargo net, both belly pans, both the owners and maintenance manuals and all supplements in their original leather binder, two lighted key heads with Porsche crest, original wheel locks with keys and caps and so on). All service records including a recent and full timing belt and water pump change with all associated parts, retensioning complete, new clutch, motor mounts, CV boots, tires have less than 50 miles on them, AC service and so on. Completely sorted, documented, 100% original, perfect Carfax and absolutely pristine condition throughout.

As with all 928's that actually pass thru my hands before being sold, they are all perfect! No exceptions, period. I can send you pictures upon it's full completion thru the Todd Johnson 928 Reconditioning Program if you'd like. Most of my 928's usually take anywhere from 2-3 months to be brought back to their original and concours condition, regardless of miles. This even goes for the under 20,000 mile cars. Not a single 928 I've ever purchased was up to my strict standards upon my original purchase of the car. Not one! These cars are very expensive to maintain and to be fully sorted to perfection. Buy a 928 from anyone else and you are most likely buying problems. But not with my cars. So in the meantime, here is a sneak peak of the actual car for sale before I ever owned it. The picture and info provided are about 2 years old. Photo courtesy of the 928 Registry:

http://www.928registry.org/1991-928GT-0069.htm

And to give you an idea of just how perfect this car will be upon it's completion, please take a look at my last '91 GT pictured down below after being run thru my extensive reconditioning program. I think you'll find the car to your liking. The '91 Guards red/cashmere (tan) GT I have coming available will be just as nice as the one pictured below. Why? Because all of my 928's are! Please feel free to call me anytime at 317-506-3022 to discuss buying perfection instead of problems.

Pictures of my last concours '91 GT are pictured down below:











Todd........selling perfection, one 928 at a time!

P.S. More pictures down below.........

[low miler]

More pictures of what flawless looks like........







Todd

[low miler]

^^^^^The above photos were taken in consideration of Ms. Cheryl Carter from Rennlist. Though she has absolutely no idea of who I am, just how hard I work, or exactly what I'm capable of acheiving with regards to my 928's, she is quick to seek the approval of a few bad apples, and in doing so, has gone as far as calling the above concours 928, "slime". So with respect to her I say, knowledge is power, ignorance is ugly. Though I would sincerely love to see pictures of her personal 928 capabilities........

Respectfully, Todd aka Low Miler

P.S. Short read.

[pcar928fan]

^^^^^
Todd that car is probably THE BEST color combination you can get in an S4 or GTS... IMHO! I don't have that combination yet either, so be sure and find me a '93 or '95 GTS w/ the wood in that color combo please! Or the Yellow one we talked about! YEA BABY!!!

Forgot to mention, be sure NOT to track the '90/'91 GT's unless you like $15k motor rebuilds. I don't know what it is (maybe the shorter rear end ratio...that is the only thing that anyone can make any sense of anyway) but I have seen more DE'ed and Auto-Xed GT's from those two years burn up engines than ALL the other 5spd 928's I have ever come in contact with! It is astounding the difference in what I have seen over 12 years of tracking 928's!

James
Austin, TX

[sbarc]

My car is not for sale. Here's my view of things.
I've got a 1990 928 GT with about 40,000 miles. It is guards red with red interior and sport seats. I love the car in every way. It has the 5 speed trans of course and is a total beast when it comes to acceleration. I had bad plug wires (mis-firing engine) and thanks to the helpful info here I replaced my plug wires and during the test drive I managed to get my car a little sideway on dry road because I gave it full power at 35mph while going around a sweeping turn on a highway onramp. I've driven a mint '76 911 and it was a nice car but the 928 is a total beast.....very much like a muscle car.

I find in the 928 with 330 hp I can drive along the highway at 55mph...blip the speed up to 85 to 100 mph and have it back down to 50mph (our local highway speed limit in my city in Canada) in such short order that getting a speeding ticket is very difficult. On my other cars it would take forever to get up to 75mph...thus making the possibility of getting a ticket much more possible. At 100 mph the 928 is rock solid due to it's perfect balance front to rear and it's wide stance and heavy curb weight.

I will never sell my car......it is pretty pristine and I'm constantly trying to do things to make it more pristine.

I wanted one for years and it lived up to my expectations in every way and then some. I am dumbfounded why the 928's go for so little.....they are a fantastic car.
One possible good place to find a nice 928 might be through the Porsche Club of America.

Steve B
1990 928 GT

[pcar928fan]

^^^^^
Just don't DE/Auto-X the '90/'91 GT's! They blow up a lot more than the others! The S4's are fine, but the GT's get revved to much and spend to much time at red line (at least that seems to be the only logical excuse vs. the 5spd S4's from '87-'89)!

YMMV!
James

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by low miler

^^^^^The above photos were taken in consideration of Ms. Cheryl Carter from Rennlist. Though she has absolutely no idea of who I am, just how hard I work, or exactly what I'm capable of acheiving with regards to my 928's, she is quick to seek the approval of a few bad apples, and in doing so, has gone as far as calling the above concours 928, "slime". So with respect to her I say, knowledge is power, ignorance is ugly. Though I would sincerely love to see pictures of her personal 928 capabilities........

Respectfully, Todd aka Low Miler

P.S. Short read.

must have missed that one........

--Russ

[low miler]

Originally Posted by rhjames

must have missed that one........

--Russ

It's under the thread title "1st (?) GTS in US on sale on Pelican". It's on about page 5 or 6 by now. Scroll down to post #10, and there it is! She's doing your typical ass kissing of trying to make friends by poking fun at others (basic computer geek, of course! ) . She's just another typical "bad apple". She's so ignorant of 928's that she actually goes on to state that a basic '93 5 speed is much more rare than GTS # 1. Pleeeease, I've owned at least 20 different '93-'95 5 speeds, and just like DD said, if this GTS # 1 were one of their cars, they'd be all over it like a cheap suit. The last GTS produced was also an automatic, so it's probably not worth jack either. Or at least if I owned it, it wouldn't be anyway. What an idiot Ms. Cheryl Carter is!

I've noticed that the typical "bad apples" stratagy is to band wagon on someone they know has been ragged on before. Instead of making a positive note, they continue to make negative statements about that individual in an effort to make friends. I could only imagine what these people actually look like in person. Like I said, computer geeks with computer geek mentalities. It's like trying to argue Star Trek with a Trekie! Hell, I'll pass thank you....

Todd........always concours, everytime, without exception