Dad's OB coming back to life

[rhjames]

Yes, at least one of the James boyz is making progress with their painting projects.

Dad's car is just freshly painted.......

Take to mind that he's 75 yrs young, did all the paint removal/sanding by hand down to the metal, and then masked/taped it himself. The paint was professionally sprayed by a European restoration shop near him.

He's got a few issues to take care of. I don't know what he's going to with the rub strip holes (that are not filled). He'll probably put the rub strips back on. The rubber in between the bumper cover on the front wasn't removed (didn't bother him...) and was painted. He forgot to raise the headlights to paint the buckets and lower covers, so he's decided to paint them gloss black. He has a full interior in brown leather to put in the car (that's next), and a red powdercoated intake for the engine.

In all, he's got less than $1000 in paint and materials, including paying for the pro to spray it.

before and after pics below:

[Danglerb]

Thats one yellow car Russ, hope your dad likes it.

M old 914 ended up painted I think Sunflower.

[rhjames]

more fun from the elder James:

it seems they painted the door jams and then closed the passenger door before the paint dried......you can imagine what this leads to.

the rub strip holes on the left rear quarter should have been filled before paint, but it really didn't bother him that they are there---that quarter was replaced by the PO, so it's the only place that had rub strips....he'll go back and fix that issue later.

the trim strips that runs from the base of the windshield over the top of the door to the hatch weren't painted.....He's now talking about just painting them gloss black---like he'll do to the headlight buckets. That will be different----

the "S" spoiler will go back on the hatch (this is a replacement hatch), but because the car didn't have one originally, the spoiler side pieces won't be installed.

for some unknown reason, the rear windshield wiper won't install correctly---problems with the idler arm not going onto the idler stud.

He ordered a hood heat shield from Rob, installed it, then lined up the "shark" decal and installed upside down----he thinks it's senility----pretty funny for a guy with enough mechanical engineering degrees to paper a house with .....new decal on the way (thanks Rob!!!).

strangely enough, the fuel gauge now works. (ya got to love Porsche electrics---sometimes they just fix themselves!!?!?!?)

He's got to install the side markers, grill and rear bumperettes, and then it's on to the interior.

hopefully once I get done with the Santana tour, I'll get over to help with the powdercoated intake install, and finishing up with the interior.



an interesting side note:

he found a dyno report (by PO) done before we got the car, before Dad spent a good chunk of money having the fuel system sorted out.

208hp and 235 ft lbs torque at the rear wheels.

Not bad for a 29 year old car rescued from the dead.......

(wonder what it's doing now.....)

[MrGST]

Looks pretty good. Kudos to your dad!

[Danglerb]

Stock OB typical is about 185 rwhp I think, 208 sounds like Dynojet HP maybe estimated flywheel?

[928sg]

Russ,
Please don't take this as a personal thing.... I would ask the following questions no matter who posted the above pics and story.....

The biggest difference between a poor paint job and an excellent one is an added level of prep. I like the color by the way.... however why not remove the bumper covers and do it up right? painting the beading on the front will ultimately start to chip as the beading will shrink and expand quite a bit compared to the metal around it...

Was it a base coat clear coat paint job? why not plug the holes instead of adding the rub strips....

Is the shop going to redo the door jamb where the messed up by letting the door seals texture the paint?

I'm just curious..... if you are going to the point of stripping to bare metal, why not do it right?

I'm not judging.... just asking....

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by 928sg

Russ,
Please don't take this as a personal thing.... I would ask the following questions no matter who posted the above pics and story.....

The biggest difference between a poor paint job and an excellent one is an added level of prep. I like the color by the way.... however why not remove the bumper covers and do it up right? painting the beading on the front will ultimately start to chip as the beading will shrink and expand quite a bit compared to the metal around it...

Was it a base coat clear coat paint job? why not plug the holes instead of adding the rub strips....

Is the shop going to redo the door jamb where the messed up by letting the door seals texture the paint?

I'm just curious..... if you are going to the point of stripping to bare metal, why not do it right?

I'm not judging.... just asking....

(nothing personal taken)

I asked the same questions.......

the paint was Dupont Imron, but I have no specifics as to clear coat or not.....I suspect not.

I have been all over him about the two rub strip holes, to which he replies that he'll probably do something about later (fix the holes--not add rub strips). He's OK with the holes, but knows it just isn't going to be OK for anyone else.......At least it was only two holes, not the whole car......but he says he'll deal with it later....

as for the door jamb, he'll take care of it as well....just later.

as for the bumper cover beading front and rear, he'll take care of that as well.....again, later.


Mmmm.......there's a pattern here...

It's the whole thing of Mom not wanting to see it in the driveway without a decent coat of paint on it.....he's been hiding it under a car cover ever since we brought it home.

Glad he lives with her......

[MPDano]

Wow, big difference. My first car was yellow. It was Triumph TR7.

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

Stock OB typical is about 185 rwhp I think, 208 sounds like Dynojet HP maybe estimated flywheel?

I have no clue as to what was done with the dyno deal......just thought it was interesting figures when he found the paperwork.

[mrtiffin]

Hey Russ,

I am going for a similar yellow, but probably the newer porsche yellow that is on the carrera. I really like the red powder coat on the spider legs. I haven't touched Die Porsche since I installed the glass, but I have a whole month without classes in May so be prepared to get a bunch of phone calls on how to do this and that this again to fix it.

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by mrtiffin

Hey Russ,

I am going for a similar yellow, but probably the newer porsche yellow that is on the carrera. I really like the red powder coat on the spider legs. I haven't touched Die Porsche since I installed the glass, but I have a whole month without classes in May so be prepared to get a bunch of phone calls on how to do this and that this again to fix it.

No problem, I'll be glad to help with what I can.....

Dad's is painted Porsche Talbot Yellow......if that helps.

He tells me this evening that the bumperettes are on, the trim strips (A-pillar to the hatch) are on, although painted black. He has another pair of trim strips that he'll have painted yellow for a later install. He installed the wrong (broken) hatch lock, so it's off to the locksmith for removal and install the working latch/lock. Once he gets that done, he'll install the spoiler.

Funny listening to his mistakes......but----he's getting all kinds of compliments on how good the car looks.

It's all good-----

[rhjames]

update from Dad today is "more paint".

He decided to correctly paint the headlight buckets and lower headlight covers, and then took on painting the roof trim.

All went well.

Now if I can just get him to fill the two rub strip holes......

New pics soon---


--R

[SeanR]

Russell,

Nice of you to send me a nasty PM and then not allow me to reply in kind.

BTW, your dads car looks pretty good, aside from the previous comments. I like yellow.

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by SeanR

Russell,

Nice of you to send me a nasty PM and then not allow me to reply in kind.

Sean-


I have moved on about your issues, please do the same.

-R

[Landseer]

I really like that yellow shade, too. Very nice. Congrats to him for the hard work.

The red spider shot is cool. Looks like its going to scoot across the parking lot. We should photo-shop a big spider web into the picture.

A question on paints. The last car I sprayed was back in 86. I used dupont Centurian, two part paint/hardener. Imron was the rage, also Dupont product, but out of my price range. Are these paints still available and are they used the same way? Have new paints / solvent systems taken their place for the most part? What's the story on paint/solvent options these days? If I spray another car, I might want to use Imron just like your dad did, assuming its still as durable as it was famous for being. ( If you feel this is OT or seems like hijacking your thread thread, you could answer in another thread I guess)

Thanks,

Chris

[rhjames]

Don't worry about the hijack, as there will be folks that think the following has nothing to do with Dad's car paint either-----but I will offer this as a comparison of paints and what you might expect:


I personally do not care for Imron, as I have had 18 trucks sprayed with it over the past decades......the trucking environment is pretty brutal, so anything that "lasts", that can be used on automotive applications, is a good thing.

Imron will fade, and will crack.

My latest Peterbilt is painted with Imron 6000, a base coat/clear coat. after one year, it showed signs of chemical damage, within two years it showed signs of fading, and now (800,000 miles later) it has peeled and faded to the point of not being recognizable.

while your 928 may not go through this kind of punishment, it is something to consider depending upon how long you intend to enjoy your Porsche.


a better selection would be Martin Senor Nitram, or one of the current PPG products.

the Nitram is 100% more flexible, and won't fade as early as Imron. One of my trucks was painted with Nitram 10 years ago, and is just now showing signs of sandblasting on the leading edges of the sleeper roof. No fading yet.

the PPG products are reportedly better as well.

just my experience with Imron----

the biggest problem I hear about paints these days, is their ability to let whatever is underneath bleed through. You must be careful to remove any conflicting paints underneath, before putting on the newer paints.


Dad's choice of paints was two fold. relatively low cost, and he doesn't expect to be around long enough to see the paint waste away....even though he's in excellent health----he'll probably be around for another twenty years, but at 75 he's got a different perspective on life...

short of all this, I suggest you contact your local pro for more info and recommendations.

--r

[Danglerb]

Paint is a topic with a lot of coverage in the Porsche community. Its well worth some searching and bookmarking of threads etc.

From what I have read the key seems to be finding a good paint guy that knows both the paint and Porsche. Knows how to prep our three surfaces, soft bumpers, aluminum fenders, and steel body, and what best works on them. Once you find a good paint guy, I think its smart to stay with the product line they know the best. If you walk in and say I want X paint, most I think won't argue with you, or say its the first time they would be using it.

[rhjames]

A few more pics of Dad's ride....with the black roof trim strips....and not.


yes, he's put on a set of trim strips that he painted yellow, since these pics were taken.

--R

[Pauwl]

Russ,

do thank your dad for saving another one. We OB drivers appreciate the fact that there are still OB's out there, and this one is looking good.

Pauwl

p.s. interior shots yet? (even if it's only 'before' pictures)

[rhjames]

Originally Posted by Pauwl

Russ,

do thank your dad for saving another one. We OB drivers appreciate the fact that there are still OB's out there, and this one is looking good.

Pauwl

p.s. interior shots yet? (even if it's only 'before' pictures)

Thanks very much for the compliments......it has a few minor things to sort out, but once it's all back together, it'll be a good car for him to enjoy----(actually, he's having too much fun with it, regardless of what it looks like)

I'll try to get him to do current interior pics, but our whole clan is tied up with my sister's wedding this week. Maybe he'll get it done when he gets home.....

Thanks again--

--R