Gates racing timing belt

Danglerb · 03-18-2009, 02:20 PM

Sounds like a new and improved timing belt may be available soon (not yet, but Roger is working on it), not sure its this specific belt, but the description fits.

http://www.gatesracing.com/timing.cfm

I was looking at it when I was shopping for my last belt, but no availability at the time on the 928. Looks really good, I wonder who will be the first to try one?

devilinblack · 03-18-2009, 02:53 PM

Not me, I have a brand new, regular old belt sitting on the "to-do" pile at home. I do like the idea that with that belt and a Porkensioner you could go quite some time without messing with the belt. Especially on the OB's! :-)

redrider044 · 03-18-2009, 05:32 PM

I just sent an e-mail to Gates asking if they make thier "racing timing belt" for my '78 928. I'll post the reply if & when it comes.

928 Bro · 928 Bro's Garage

Nice belt, I have one ready also but man it is tempting

mistertate · mistertate's Garage

These guys will build custom order ones for you:

http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/engine/timing_belt/timing_belt.htm

minimum order 25, at about $150 each. Is the 32V belt wider than the 16V?

rhjames · rhjames's Garage

I've been in contact with another supplier as well.

Supplier of all things NASCAR.

Possible they might be interested in:

Timing belt for both 16V/32V

Cams for 16V (billet--not this re-welded crap, and dims not restricted by the standard cam bearing size [60mm dia]---we're talking BIG cams here)

needle bearings for 16V cams

This is very preliminary, but they are interested.

More later......

--Russ

Danglerb · 03-18-2009, 09:09 PM

Roger has already talked with Gates, and the 928 belt (fits all HTQ 16v and 32v, not square tooth I assume) is supposed to be something that anybody meeting min quantity can order.

Personally while I find it both interesting and appealing, I don't see the belt as the weak link, or that using this belt would somehow increase the service interval.

2Quick4u928 · 03-19-2009, 01:07 AM

I just recently completed a whole new assy package including the PKsn'r for 1 motor, will be in the market for my new motor top end build though...Will need to keep watch here and see what Roger comes up with. Appreciate the heads up!!

redrider044 · 03-19-2009, 05:41 AM

I e-mailed gates yesterday & asked "Do you make a racing timing belt for a 1978 928 Porsche with a 4.5 motor. If so, how can I get one, I'm about due. I would like a belt that
is stronger than OE & that will last longer." I got a reply this morning"
"Hello - we currently do not have a timing belt to offer for that vehicle."
Oh well, I also tried.

MPDano · MPDano's Garage

Good try. Kudos to them for replying quickly though.

Danglerb · 03-19-2009, 07:54 AM

The joke from another forum is that if you ask the right person at Sears they don't sell hammers.

This post was just a heads up, when the product is ready could be even Pelican will source it.

One claim is that it does not stretch, which I am wondering if it will change the normal 1000 mile retension.

rhjames · rhjames's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danglerb

The joke from another forum is that if you ask the right person at Sears they don't sell hammers.

This post was just a heads up, when the product is ready could be even Pelican will source it.

One claim is that it does not stretch, which I am wondering if it will change the normal 1000 mile retension.

Ah...the drama. the ethics there are, well.....there are none. I will be content to sit back and watch them destroy themselves......WWVI will be on shortly......enuf said.

Anyone could source it, and anything that improves the life expectancy of the belt is a good thing. I am particularly opposed to any one vendor sourcing any one part, as it removes competition (availability and pricing). While I am not going to single out anyone vendor, I am getting reports of that vendor's customer service and delivery of orders are lacking.....to allow any one product such as this (timing belt) to be marketed by one vendor would be a mistake, in my opinion.

The re-tension issue should be/is eliminated with porken tensioner. Porsche should have done this to start with. Think of how many 928's in general that could still be in use today.......that have been cannibalized due to TB failure caused by incorrect tension.

--Russ

devilinblack · 03-19-2009, 08:29 AM

The thing is, someone needs to step up and place a specific size order for something like a new belt to be developed. Nothing happens without money. As for it only being available to one vendor, if that vendor is the first one to show them the money, then they should get something for that, exclusive rights to the first batch or whatever. Any of the vendors could have contacted any of the belt manufacturers about this at any time but Roger is the one that has contacted Gates and appears to be willing to put up the money to make it happen.

Every vendor is in business to make money and if they're doing it right should be working to do a better job at a better price than the other vendors. I appreciate the fact that we have multiple vendors to choose from because it helps to keep them on their toes and I'll vote with my $$$ as to who I like best and that's going to be the one that provides me the best service at a given price. If someone is having a problem with their customer service or parts supply, that should become apparent.

As for drama, I'll leave that to the llama and keep my nose out of it. I have enough going on in my real life that I don't need to get involved in message board politics.

hacker-pschorr · 03-20-2009, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhjames

Anyone could source it, and anything that improves the life expectancy of the belt is a good thing. I am particularly opposed to any one vendor sourcing any one part, as it removes competition (availability and pricing). While I am not going to single out anyone vendor, I am getting reports of that vendor's customer service and delivery of orders are lacking.....to allow any one product such as this (timing belt) to be marketed by one vendor would be a mistake, in my opinion.

The devil is in the details

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROG100

They will be available to all providing you meet the min quantities - not exclusive

What I meant to say is that these are not being supplied to 928sRus exclusivley and could be purchased by other dealers.

Danglerb · 03-20-2009, 09:39 AM

What bad luck, I was digging in my junk pile yesterday and found three timing belts, two of them look pretty good too. Kind of interesting looking over the older used belt and closely examining the fatigue cracks on the teeth. Not much sign of wear otherwise.

Makes me wonder under what circumstances I might put on a used belt, no matter how nice or new it looked.